F6 with PCF

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oreo382

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Circlomanen said:
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Here is how I would filter RF to avoid making the F6 into an AM-receiver.
The potentiometer is an easy way to adjust the PCF while playing music through the amp.
I would use a 100 ohm 2 watt potentiometer.

Cheers,
Johannes
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I did some sim's using your circuit with a 100 and 47 ohm (Zen suggestion) pot across the 1.5 ohm resistor.
The span in damping factor for the 100 ohm was -.07 to +.03 (max to min R)
and for the 47 ohm was -.01 to +.18 (max to min R).
It looks like the 47 ohm gives more of a range for adjustment.
 
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tpark

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I notice this thread has gone very quiet. I recently finished an F6 using the Toshiba fets instead of the IRF's and the basic amp was similar to an F6 I bought last summer. The 1.5 ohm resister probably does change the stock sound for the worse. Using the 100ohm variable resister and a 1.2k set of resisters along with the 10 nF cap completely changes the amp. I have tried it on the lower midrange of a Linkwitz LX521 and is superb at about 1/2 point. Same with a Medalion lowther and a full turn for an Avantgarde Trio horn of a friend of mine. Not sure of the math to do the high frequency roll-off but to me looks like about a 13,263 rolloff which on the full range speakers was quite audible. I took it out and the sound became rather harsh in upper frequencies so went with a 750pF and sounds great. Putting some PVF results in a rather amazing tranformation of a pretty basic amp and I think it is such a simple modification many DIY's should try this.
The quality of the mid-range in particular is amazing.
 
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Circlomanen

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Putting some PVF results in a rather amazing tranformation of a pretty basic amp and I think it is such a simple modification many DIY's should try this.
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Yes, it seems the F6 really does like some PCF.

Based on what people have written about the F6 and PCF in this thread, I am getting very tempted to buy a pair of Jensen transformers to test it out.

Thanks for sharing your findings and you experience with the F6 and PCF. It is a very interesting subject.

Cheers,
Johannes
 
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Circlomanen

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Thanks TordNilsson! I have read and replied to your PM.

There might be a F6 with PCF on the horizon for me.... :cool:

Has anyone tested Ixys Polar fets in a F6 amp? I would love to test some IXTH 140N10P or similar devices in the F6 amplifier. With a pair of IXFN200N10P (SOT227) it would be quite easy to build a 100 watt in 8 ohm F6.
Since the PCF seems to intensify the innate character of the amplifier, it is even more important to have a nice sounding amp to begin with.

I wonder how the F6 sounds with a pair of IRFP7430?

Cheers,
Johannes
 
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alvinlim

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oreo382 said:
I did some sim's using your circuit with a 100 and 47 ohm (Zen suggestion) pot across the 1.5 ohm resistor.
The span in damping factor for the 100 ohm was -.07 to +.03 (max to min R)
and for the 47 ohm was -.01 to +.18 (max to min R).
It looks like the 47 ohm gives more of a range for adjustment.
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needtubes said:
Maybe output impedance instead of DF?
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Are you measuring the impact on output impedance of the F6? Does this mean that PCF reduces the output impedance? The original F6 has an output impedance of 0.5 if I recall correctly. The damping factor will more than double (at 0.18)? What is the impact on overall gain?
 
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brianhiatt

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Any of you have some images of the changes you made to the boards and are you willing to share? Would love to see the work you did. I am waiting on a few more parts then will make my F6. This thread has me interested in the PCF difference. Not sure I will try it until I get the F6 stable for comparison.
 
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tpark

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brianhiatt said:
Any of you have some images of the changes you made to the boards and are you willing to share? Would love to see the work you did. I am waiting on a few more parts then will make my F6. This thread has me interested in the PCF difference. Not sure I will try it until I get the F6 stable for comparison.
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I just bought the transformers and circuit boards from the store and stuffed them. Stability will not be a problem with the basic F6. PCF at least in my setting changes an already good amp for the much better and really a very simple mod as Circloman has suggested. The 1.5ohm with the 100 ohm variable resister allowed me to use this with 16 ohm horns at a full turn. The usual 8 ohm Lowthers took a 1/2 turn or essentially .75ohms and a 4 ohm speaker took a 1/4 turn so quite adaptable to almost any load. You know when you have gone too high as speakers tend to waterboard and the sound tells the tale. I have tried to follow the math for making Rsen insensitive to load as described on the F7 thread but not knowing exactly the gm makes it difficult. I have not played around much with different Rsen as 1.5 seems right for me. Also I feel the 1.5 will not be the same as .75 for PCF as regardless of PCF rsen is a damping resister to your speakers. Maybe others can explain this and the math better than I can as I don't have a solid grasp on it.
Tom
 
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tpark

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Probably not the correct term but that is what I see, a slow excessive movement of the bass drivers, back off a bit and stops. I didn't waste any time stopping it and think the frequency was too low to hear. I was using an older set of Thors and the lower impedance is 4 ohms and forgot I had the variable resistor set for my 8 ohm Lowthers. I guess the rule is to start with feedback and increase slowly.
Tom
 
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