Another update for the PCBs.
The Gerber files have just been sent to Variac for his review and process to prototyping this morning.
Both the main amplifier and the PSU PCBs.
Patrick
The Gerber files have just been sent to Variac for his review and process to prototyping this morning.
Both the main amplifier and the PSU PCBs.
Patrick
Dave,
I think it would be useful to give some info on heat sink size and overall dimensions.
Patrick
I think it would be useful to give some info on heat sink size and overall dimensions.
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
The overall dimensions are approximately 17.4" wide x 12.7" deep x 7.2" tall (roughly 442mm x 322mm x 183mm). The heatsinks themselves are 12.2" deep, 2.3" thick, and about 7" tall (310mm x 58.4mm x 177.8mm). The heatsinks have 22 fins.
Overall it is wider than your case and slightly shorter in depth.
Dave
The overall dimensions are approximately 17.4" wide x 12.7" deep x 7.2" tall (roughly 442mm x 322mm x 183mm). The heatsinks themselves are 12.2" deep, 2.3" thick, and about 7" tall (310mm x 58.4mm x 177.8mm). The heatsinks have 22 fins.
Overall it is wider than your case and slightly shorter in depth.
Dave
Very cool fitzfish.
The shipping prices for the Hifi2000 cases really hurt here in the US. Definitely keep us updated on your case project. It might be a great solution for another build I have planned.
The shipping prices for the Hifi2000 cases really hurt here in the US. Definitely keep us updated on your case project. It might be a great solution for another build I have planned.
I like this thread
the case(s) look great. I hope there is enough interest to keep some options open for the next round.
Thanks,
Ryan
the case(s) look great. I hope there is enough interest to keep some options open for the next round.
Thanks,
Ryan
It looks like we shall not be using up the entire 25 batch quota.
If you are really interested, you may sign up in the GB thread as reserve, as an exception.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/grou...se-user-distribution-check-3.html#post2541124
Patrick
If you are really interested, you may sign up in the GB thread as reserve, as an exception.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/grou...se-user-distribution-check-3.html#post2541124
Patrick
Hi Rich,
The PCB’s are still well within the prototyping phase and are not yet available.
Here is the latest update:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-labs/183362-f5x-euvl-approach-13.html#post2539165
-John
The PCB’s are still well within the prototyping phase and are not yet available.
Here is the latest update:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-labs/183362-f5x-euvl-approach-13.html#post2539165
-John
pmchoong,
Contact zhoufang for matched 2SK1530/2SJ201, you need 4 matched pairs NNNNPPPP (all to 10mV). Be prepared to pay around $28 a pair.
There has been a small GB from Sumr, that is now closed, at this stage you’ll have to source the transformers yourself.
Cheers
John
Contact zhoufang for matched 2SK1530/2SJ201, you need 4 matched pairs NNNNPPPP (all to 10mV). Be prepared to pay around $28 a pair.
There has been a small GB from Sumr, that is now closed, at this stage you’ll have to source the transformers yourself.
Cheers
John
Thanks John.
You can either use 2SK1530 or 2SJ201, correct? 4 matched pairs of either types, true? At usd28 per matched pair, thats pretty high.
You can either use 2SK1530 or 2SJ201, correct? 4 matched pairs of either types, true? At usd28 per matched pair, thats pretty high.
no, you need 4 matched pairs of 2sk1530/j201 and for a good np match of these fets that is not really high, considering unmatched from most vendors is only a couple of dollars less
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4 matched pairs of 2sk1530 & 4 matched pairs of j201, thats 8 matched pairs.
8 x 28 = usd224.00. correct? Possible to matched ourselves to spec?
8 x 28 = usd224.00. correct? Possible to matched ourselves to spec?
no, you need 4 x matched k1530/j201 pairs, they are complementary devices. but someone correct me here if i'm off track. is it more important to match within same devices, so that the 4 x k1530 are very close and the 2 x j201 are very close and then that each quad is as close as is possible with an NN NN|PP PP pairs, because bias between the poles can be balanced with tweaking??. its best that all 8 are close, but N and P cannot truly be matched. i may be totally off base there and i'm sure someone will correct me if i am 😀
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In these devices you can get a pretty good match between P and N, and as such you can get a matched set of 8 with 4 of each type. yes it is expensive, however it will be worth it.
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nice!!, yeah i guess my sense of what is expensive is out of whack, i guess i just meant comparatively, but lots cheaper than buying a couple of rails and matching them yourself
Each channel of F5X uses 4 MOSFETs, 2x 2Sk1530, 2x 2SJ201, all matched to each other.
So for a stereo amp, you need a set of 8 matched devices in total.
It is "expensive" as you said. But you would also be paying 300 USD for 2 transformers, something of the same amount minimum for a decent case,...... And if anything, it is worth spending money on devices which has a most direct impact on the soinic results.
So it will not be a USD600 budget amp. I am sure you can build an F5X circuit with that budget, with less selected, lower cost components. There are many threads around to tell you how to do that. But that is not what we are trying to achieve here.
As I said in Post #1, there are hundred ways to skin a cat.
Patrick
So for a stereo amp, you need a set of 8 matched devices in total.
It is "expensive" as you said. But you would also be paying 300 USD for 2 transformers, something of the same amount minimum for a decent case,...... And if anything, it is worth spending money on devices which has a most direct impact on the soinic results.
So it will not be a USD600 budget amp. I am sure you can build an F5X circuit with that budget, with less selected, lower cost components. There are many threads around to tell you how to do that. But that is not what we are trying to achieve here.
As I said in Post #1, there are hundred ways to skin a cat.
Patrick
Each channel of F5X uses 4 MOSFETs, 2x 2Sk1530, 2x 2SJ201, all matched to each other.
So for a stereo amp, you need a set of 8 matched devices in total.
Ok, so for our dual mono, we need 2 matched pairs for each channel ( ie. 2 x 2Sk1530 + 2 x 2SJ201).
Total = 4 matched pairs (4 x 2Sk1530 + 4 x 2SJ201, all matched)
Both channels' mosfets should matched each other, meaning the left channel's pairs should also matched the right channel's pairs.
So it will not be a USD600 budget amp. I am sure you can build an F5X circuit with that budget, with less selected, lower cost components. There are many threads around to tell you how to do that. But that is not what we are trying to achieve here.
As I said in Post #1, there are hundred ways to skin a cat.
My wife is going to skin me. Sorry for the non technical comment.
Well, if one wants to save some bucks, different output fets are also an option as the fine Toshiba parts are next to Semisouth parts the most expensive fets.
Will it sound different? Likely so, but to the better or worse is up to personal taste.
The smallest change is to not match between N and P, as these parts are never really identical anyway.
Hannes
Will it sound different? Likely so, but to the better or worse is up to personal taste.
The smallest change is to not match between N and P, as these parts are never really identical anyway.
Hannes
Please keep this thread only for technical discussions.
After about a week's discussion with the forum (to see how our PCB could fit into the case design they are working on, separately), we have finally come to an agreement that everyone is happy with. So we can now go to the prototyping phase to make sure the PCB is error free before making it available to all.
My most sincere thanks to fitzfish for the hundreds of hours he spent on the PCB. I didn't realise how difficult it is to get all these curvy tracks with PCB software. But he did it all by hand, to my perfect satisfaction, without a word of complaint, or even letting me know it was that difficult. So it will be the first, and probably the last curvy track PCB you can get from the forum.
Finally we are progressing.
Patrick
After about a week's discussion with the forum (to see how our PCB could fit into the case design they are working on, separately), we have finally come to an agreement that everyone is happy with. So we can now go to the prototyping phase to make sure the PCB is error free before making it available to all.
My most sincere thanks to fitzfish for the hundreds of hours he spent on the PCB. I didn't realise how difficult it is to get all these curvy tracks with PCB software. But he did it all by hand, to my perfect satisfaction, without a word of complaint, or even letting me know it was that difficult. So it will be the first, and probably the last curvy track PCB you can get from the forum.
Finally we are progressing.
Patrick
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