F5 Listening Impressions & Discussion

Don't believe everything you read in a spec sheet.
I have been doing this for some time now without problems.
I think Nelson even occassionally pushes them to this level or higher in this type of topology.

Having said that, I agree I should have stated that using +/-30 V is starting to push the limits of this device.
 
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Here is a quote from the man himself

I routinely push these parts to as high as 40V in my own
stuff. They seem to have been spec'd at lower voltage for
Gate current. If you can put up with higher Gate current,
then you'll find them actually breaking down around 42-43 V.

Not that I recommend that you build an amp on this
assumption...

And has no one mentioned cascoding these?

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read Pass again.
They are breaking down >=43V.
You have 30Vdc +-AC output.
You could easily have 55V across the output FETs.

Now look at output bias for the ClassA output current your load wants/needs.
What is the FET quiescent power dissipation?
 
OK this is for umut.
The first one simulates better, but who knows which one sounds better without actually building them.
 

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Just in case anyone is interested, here is fft of the first one.

Appologies to everyone. I won't contaminate this thread any further.

Edit: the circuit can be optimised further with changes to some resistor values eg reduce source resistors to 50 Ohms
 

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I will definitely take that as a compliment from you.
Yes it does look good.
I haven't built it so can't comment on the real world performance, but it is definitely one of the better circuits I have managed to put together (more luck than anything else, and I suppose a lot of persistance helps).
 
read Pass again.
They are breaking down >=43V.
You have 30Vdc +-AC output.
You could easily have 55V across the output FETs.

Perhaps there is some confusion. The 43V breakdown is for
the input Jfets, which will typically not see more than the
value of a single rail voltage plus a couple volts. As a
concept, you could consider +/-40 volt rails.

We are, after all, FAB

(Fearless Amplifier Builders)

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It looks interesting!

But it is not very far away from a JC-2, isn't it?

An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.

I haven't built or tried to simulate that one. Do you feel it is a much better solution?
Umut wanted something that more closely represented the F5 topology in a preamp, but he asked for bipolars at the output, so that is what I tried to do. So the inspiration comes from Nelson's F5 and his paper on Cascode Amplifier Design http://www.firstwatt.com/pdf/art_cas_amp.pdf
 
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