It is not a movie. NOT A MOVIE. I was viewing the news. And it was horrifying news.
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"note the use of the word 'anecdote'. So I repeat my point and you did not fix it, you just read something on the internet and convinced yourself it was true!"
See PM. Points noted, but for clarity to the forum at large, I've convinced myself of nothing, and I got none of the information from the internet.
BillShurv is introducing facts not in evidence. With that said, I have no proof. However, I think my sources are reliable, however fallible.
I'll stick with it's a great urban myth that I think is true based on previously reliable sources.
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"It is not a movie. NOT A MOVIE. I was viewing the news. And it was horrifying news."
Fine, but I will ask one final time for clarity. WHAT EXACTLY were you marketed. You've said "free delivery" in your example. What were they trying to market to you that you found beyond the pale. What service or product? Seriously trying to understand your POV. Yes, it was horrifying, but let's say... you were reading the news, clicked on several articles relating to that topic. Then, you are marketed toward a book on the subject or a documentary movie. That seems acceptable to me. I am simply trying to first understand what you were being marketed toward and why you found it beyond the pale.
OK..
How would I know that? He put it in quotes and stated free delivery as an example of how it was marketed. What's your point? I asked for clarity re: what was specifically marketed, and I've yet to understand.
Perhaps pay to have the ads turned off?
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"note the use of the word 'anecdote'. So I repeat my point and you did not fix it, you just read something on the internet and convinced yourself it was true!"
See PM. Points noted, but for clarity to the forum at large, I've convinced myself of nothing, and I got none of the information from the internet.
BillShurv is introducing facts not in evidence. With that said, I have no proof. However, I think my sources are reliable, however fallible.
I'll stick with it's a great urban myth that I think is true based on previously reliable sources.
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"It is not a movie. NOT A MOVIE. I was viewing the news. And it was horrifying news."
Fine, but I will ask one final time for clarity. WHAT EXACTLY were you marketed. You've said "free delivery" in your example. What were they trying to market to you that you found beyond the pale. What service or product? Seriously trying to understand your POV. Yes, it was horrifying, but let's say... you were reading the news, clicked on several articles relating to that topic. Then, you are marketed toward a book on the subject or a documentary movie. That seems acceptable to me. I am simply trying to first understand what you were being marketed toward and why you found it beyond the pale.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=genocide+in+darfur
"The Darfur genocide is the systematic killing of ethnic Darfuri people which has occurred during the ongoing conflict in Western Sudan. It has become known as the first genocide of the 21st century. Wikipedia
Start date: February 23, 2003"
-Not Ebay
"The Darfur genocide is the systematic killing of ethnic Darfuri people which has occurred during the ongoing conflict in Western Sudan. It has become known as the first genocide of the 21st century. Wikipedia
Start date: February 23, 2003"
-Not Ebay
You tell me.
It's obvious the whole point went over your head so I'll spell it out for you: the concept of shipping genocide in Darfur to my door (free shipping!) is not only horrifying, but so far beyond ludicrous that words escape me when I try to express it. The algorithims are laughable at best.
^ Yep, definitely needed it spelled out. I incorrectly assumed, deduced, inferred through your posts and my experiences that they were actually trying to sell you a product.
You're saying that they just put it in a tag line with no real product?! Agreed wholeheartedly. Yep, beyond the pale.
Edited to add - It's so ludicrous that I failed to comprehend the situation. Until you literally spelled it out... I did not think that would occur. I appreciate that you spelled it out. I'd have never imagined that's what you meant from your initial post.
You're saying that they just put it in a tag line with no real product?! Agreed wholeheartedly. Yep, beyond the pale.
Edited to add - It's so ludicrous that I failed to comprehend the situation. Until you literally spelled it out... I did not think that would occur. I appreciate that you spelled it out. I'd have never imagined that's what you meant from your initial post.
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Now you get it. Clickbait, with a heaping helping of irony.
I think stuff like this is a huge negative as far as marketing tactics go.
I'm a huge fan of irony. You must understand that many things I say are deadpan irony. If I was a writer for SNL, I would make stuff like this into a skit.
I think stuff like this is a huge negative as far as marketing tactics go.
I'm a huge fan of irony. You must understand that many things I say are deadpan irony. If I was a writer for SNL, I would make stuff like this into a skit.
The problem is you are repeating what was in news articles in 2012 based on interviews with Andrew Pole. If you go back to that source you will see that not only did the journalist really **** off both Target and Pole there is no proof that the event happened, but an interesting discussion on how women would be freaked out to be spied on so randomisation of coupons occured. It's an interesting insight into the period around 2002 when retailers discovered the treasure trove of data they had on reward card customers. As a tech guy I find it fascinating. I don't have loyalty cards on principle.
The only loyalty card I have is HD Pro Rewards - they did give me wholesale pricing on full spools of service entrance cable, and I can get deals on tool rental (think trenchers and such). I don’t care if everyone on the planet knows I’m building a new house - the DIYAudio banner ads that resulted from getting metal building quotes were actually quite helpful. I clicked on every single one of them. With enough data from all over the country I was able to determine what things SHOULD be costing these days.
But they do look at me like I have 3 heads at the grocery checkout when I say no, I don’t have their reward card.
But they do look at me like I have 3 heads at the grocery checkout when I say no, I don’t have their reward card.
@billshurv - This gets tricky. I fully agree with you, and I'm making no attempt to be argumentative re: the subject of that very specific (potential) incident. I acknowledge that it may not have happened, although I believe it did. I'll state in the open forum that I do believe my sources (direct, relevant, human, sources) to be credible.
I like the Forbes article's summary you quoted. I just looked it up. "Duhigg shares an anecdote -- so good that it sounds made up". What you may have missed is the following sentences and the inlayed conversational summary. Read it again, and see if you come to the same conclusion. Also... consider the accuracy of the use of the word anecdote in this context.
Here are a few lines I've pulled from that same article...
"What Target discovered fairly quickly is that it creeped people out that the company knew about their pregnancies in advance."
"On the phone, though, the father was somewhat abashed. “I had a talk with my daughter,” he said. “It turns out there’s been some activities in my house I haven’t been completely aware of. She’s due in August. I owe you an apology.”
I am directly familiar with Pole's work and some of the controversy. Note, I WOULD NOT consider this a credible source, but it's just one of many that are out there just knowing it happened.
https://www.driveresearch.com/market-research-company-blog/how-target-used-data-analytics-to-predict-pregnancies/#:~:text=Yet, the same store manager,told her mother and father.
I use this for illustrative purposes. None of my information came from the 'net, but after you alerted me that there were articles, my curiosity got the better of me. Heck, I never even knew it was such a 'thing' until our conversation. I just assumed it was an internal thing we dealt with. You say the problem with... is that ... I'm "repeating". Once again with feeling, I'm not repeating anything from articles. I'm sharing what was conveyed to me directly from people that ... should ... know. Are they fallible yes, that's why I'll walk back and never say that I am certain it occurred. I'll just give it a high probability.
Now that I've read a few articles, even the one you cited... I'm now more convinced. Clearly I interpret the article you cited differently than you at this particular point, but as clearly demonstrated, I'm open to learning or just being corrected when facts point against my beliefs.
Fair enough for now?
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Fast Eddie D - Clearly I'm a bit too literal in my interpretation of the written word. I sometime miss the subtleties of sarcasm w/o the benefit of hearing tone of voice / inflection. I hope I've seen some of your work on SNL.
I like the Forbes article's summary you quoted. I just looked it up. "Duhigg shares an anecdote -- so good that it sounds made up". What you may have missed is the following sentences and the inlayed conversational summary. Read it again, and see if you come to the same conclusion. Also... consider the accuracy of the use of the word anecdote in this context.
Here are a few lines I've pulled from that same article...
"What Target discovered fairly quickly is that it creeped people out that the company knew about their pregnancies in advance."
"On the phone, though, the father was somewhat abashed. “I had a talk with my daughter,” he said. “It turns out there’s been some activities in my house I haven’t been completely aware of. She’s due in August. I owe you an apology.”
I am directly familiar with Pole's work and some of the controversy. Note, I WOULD NOT consider this a credible source, but it's just one of many that are out there just knowing it happened.
https://www.driveresearch.com/market-research-company-blog/how-target-used-data-analytics-to-predict-pregnancies/#:~:text=Yet, the same store manager,told her mother and father.
I use this for illustrative purposes. None of my information came from the 'net, but after you alerted me that there were articles, my curiosity got the better of me. Heck, I never even knew it was such a 'thing' until our conversation. I just assumed it was an internal thing we dealt with. You say the problem with... is that ... I'm "repeating". Once again with feeling, I'm not repeating anything from articles. I'm sharing what was conveyed to me directly from people that ... should ... know. Are they fallible yes, that's why I'll walk back and never say that I am certain it occurred. I'll just give it a high probability.
Now that I've read a few articles, even the one you cited... I'm now more convinced. Clearly I interpret the article you cited differently than you at this particular point, but as clearly demonstrated, I'm open to learning or just being corrected when facts point against my beliefs.
Fair enough for now?
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Fast Eddie D - Clearly I'm a bit too literal in my interpretation of the written word. I sometime miss the subtleties of sarcasm w/o the benefit of hearing tone of voice / inflection. I hope I've seen some of your work on SNL.
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Yep, as Bob mentioned, it's all AI/computer-driven crap loading up people's mailboxes, including email, in your physical mailbox/front door, and phone calls by scammers trying to sell you a bridge in china.
Sites like Google store those cookies on your device for later annoyment.
Some will argue that it's a 'convenient' thing of course.
But I'm certainly not interested in some lonely Russian hooker who claims to be my 'perfect match' from some idiotic dating site.
And no, I don't need or want to grow my junk into an 18" long anaconda.
This is the world we're living in these days - isn't technology just wonderful?
To quote the opening lines of that old TV series, The Outer Limits -
"There is nothing wrong with your TV set.. WE control the vertical..... WE control the horizontal.....sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear."
Sites like Google store those cookies on your device for later annoyment.
Some will argue that it's a 'convenient' thing of course.
But I'm certainly not interested in some lonely Russian hooker who claims to be my 'perfect match' from some idiotic dating site.
And no, I don't need or want to grow my junk into an 18" long anaconda.
This is the world we're living in these days - isn't technology just wonderful?
To quote the opening lines of that old TV series, The Outer Limits -
"There is nothing wrong with your TV set.. WE control the vertical..... WE control the horizontal.....sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear."
BTW I was naughty for an experiment and seeded a derivative article that did link to the original NYT one https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.html. This covers a lot of stuff and is the first mention of the girl in Minneapolis that 'I' could find. If someone with more google-fu than me can find a refernce from 2003 time on when this event was supposed to occur I would as ever be happy to be proven wrong.
^ Can't get by the pay wall on that one.
Either way, it's always nice having a polite conversation when people are on opposing ends of a discussion. I'll maybe dig into it a bit more, because I feel compelled now to 'find the truth'. I may make a few calls to old friends too. To me, it was just an odd thing we talked about at meetings. I never knew until your post that it was national / international "news".
More importantly, I'm glad I brought it up b/c I enjoyed the conversation.
'til later.
Either way, it's always nice having a polite conversation when people are on opposing ends of a discussion. I'll maybe dig into it a bit more, because I feel compelled now to 'find the truth'. I may make a few calls to old friends too. To me, it was just an odd thing we talked about at meetings. I never knew until your post that it was national / international "news".
More importantly, I'm glad I brought it up b/c I enjoyed the conversation.
'til later.
Go back and listen to Rush 2112 again.
“Our great computers fill the hallowed halls.”
It’s called a ’data center’ and they’re cropping up like weeds. This was about 6 years ago on my bike commute. There’s a whole row of them now - they installed a new substation just to handle the load.
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Why not? It could match the 18" subwoofer in the trunk of your car. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
I've gotten a few ads for beautiful Russian or Ukranian brides. That's just what I need!
@wg_ski
"It’s called a ’data center’ and they’re cropping up like weeds. This was about 6 years ago on my bike commute. There’s a whole row of them now - they installed a new substation just to handle the load."
Well, so much for the 'energy efficiency' blabbering, eh?
They'll push the public to use LED lighting, yet load down the grid with that garbage.
But then again, being two-faced and hypocritical seems to be all the rage these days.
"It’s called a ’data center’ and they’re cropping up like weeds. This was about 6 years ago on my bike commute. There’s a whole row of them now - they installed a new substation just to handle the load."
Well, so much for the 'energy efficiency' blabbering, eh?
They'll push the public to use LED lighting, yet load down the grid with that garbage.
But then again, being two-faced and hypocritical seems to be all the rage these days.
I'll see if I can save the page and quote some choice bits under fair use.
To remind people where we have come from, here is an american advert from the 1930s.
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BEWARE.... this very link contains the nastiness we've been seething over....but it's within context of above. Click at your own peril and be bombarded by ads. Unless you've got them blocked. 😉
https://historydaily.org/banned-vintage-advertisements-that-took-it-way-too-far-copy-6/3
https://historydaily.org/banned-vintage-advertisements-that-took-it-way-too-far-copy-6/3
Depending on what you're selling, where, and how, they're usually the most cost-effective type of advertising in existence.
Just because a few people wasted their money on mis-targeted ads because they were incompetent or not paying attention, they're notoriously poor? Why do you think newspapers all went out of business, because classified ads were better, but advertisers are evil and wanted to destroy journalism at their own expense?
If this was a thread about engineering, we'd be calling engineers crooks because RCA jacks are only gold plated, not solid gold, and everyone would be wondering what ever happened to all of those free energy machines. The sheer richness and depth of misunderstanding here is incredible. I'm going to show myself out, nobody cares what really goes on in the marketing world anyway, we just want to whine about some crappy ad we saw once. 🤦♂️
RCA jacks are from an Engineering perspective a sub-standard connector so not sure I understand your point. Also gold is too soft to make a reliable connector from. But sure you knew that?
But I can explain why I think targeted web advertising is poor. If I buy something online then I get lots of adverts for the thing I just bought. Whoop de do. Good targeted advertising would be for things I now need to go with my purchase. But as Big tech companies don't talk to each other Google doesn't actually know I bought it. I cannot remember the last time I saw an advert for something I want to buy. So for me the advertisers are wasting their money. Mind you I have above average web hygene so they can't build a profile on me. Other's mileage may vary.
I keep getting mobility scooter adverts in the post. That is very amusing.
But I can explain why I think targeted web advertising is poor. If I buy something online then I get lots of adverts for the thing I just bought. Whoop de do. Good targeted advertising would be for things I now need to go with my purchase. But as Big tech companies don't talk to each other Google doesn't actually know I bought it. I cannot remember the last time I saw an advert for something I want to buy. So for me the advertisers are wasting their money. Mind you I have above average web hygene so they can't build a profile on me. Other's mileage may vary.
I keep getting mobility scooter adverts in the post. That is very amusing.
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