Do all audio amplifiers really sound the same???

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Very thoughtful and accurate of you, polwonka. I know that I can hear my power amp (HCA2500) that I normally use with my Wilson WATT's. I just talked to my boss at Parasound and admitted that my HCA-1000 does not sound as good as the Electrocompaniet that I have in my office with similar Sequerra loudspeakers. That is the world that I live in. Everything is different, and nothing is perfect.
 
Maybe we should stop arguing about the fact that amplifiers do or do not sound different and split it into two threads. One for those for who want to say why they do not belive in it ( maybe they won't!) and another for the believers to discuss the possible causes for the difference and how we could try to measure it ( new test signal ?) and how designs can be made or modified to achieve what is desireable.
Flames between believers and non believers will get us nowhere!

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Edit : But of course if the flames are not there or are just tiny ones then it could still be a lot of fun !😀
 
Most real audio designers have a pretty good handle on what makes a successful amplifier. When you go out and get at least $10,000 in test equipment, and accumulate about 20 years of experience, you will be able to make a very successful amplifier, yourself. At least, some of you. Others, even with the best test equipment in the world will concentrate on one detail, such as harmonic distortion, and you will make only a fairly successful amplifier. That is what separates the famous designers from the luckless designers.
 
spzzzzkt said:


Which really just confirms the conclusion of the study that peoples anticipated experience is closely correlated with results. You are tasting wine with the preconceived notion that you will not find a wine better than your 6euro bottle. The result is nothing you taste is better.

Not at all. The wine was simply very good with a round full earthy taste and little "acidity" which I do not like.

I have no preconceived notion. You know I didn't have back then either I just drink and experience a taste. Wether I find a similar or bette wine in the future or not, well I don't know, time will show.

It's so funny how some people twist and turn until their back brakes to get their distorted view thru. First it was that wine taste better because a high price.. now it's becasue it has a low price.. 😀


/Peter
 
wakibaki said:
You could even use valves for the switches. Harmonic distortion is not an issue in switching applications.

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Valves and output trafos again. I don't think that will happen. Ordinary switching amps (or even chip amps) is good enough for 99% of all people and the rest of use will likely use the (at this point) better linear amplifier if the last bit of performance is sought after.

I'm sure the switching amps will be better with higher switching speed and new circuitry but then the energy consumption increases to a level where you might as well revert back to linear amps.

I use electrical heating in my house so a class A amp fit like a glove. 🙂


/Peter
 
john curl said:
The point here is: Some people concentrate on hi fi design, others concentrate on fine wine, yet others concentrate on really good tasting food, cars, etc.
For some, a minimum quality is just OK in virtually every area of interest, for others, 2 or more areas of interest are really important.
However, I don't go to a good food or wine website and chastise the makers and imbibers for wasting time and money on what they like to pay attention to.
Why is it hi fi that has to take the brunt of the criticism, even from fairly intelligent and educated people? Could it be that you have been 'brainwashed' by others? Is there some sort of political purpose for all this? Inquiring minds need to know!:bulb: Any ideas?

Perhaps it's to try and prove to everybody that MINE is just as good as everything else. I know a lot of those and you will never convince them because they managed to fool themselves and think it's possible to fool everybody else also.
 
dfdye said:


Yea, I can't fault you there. I'm rather partial to Balvine 21, but my wallet is more a fan of Glenlivet 12.


Funny.. Glengoyne is not that common here and Glenlivet 12 is acutally the one I use to buy. Bought a few drops of Glengoyne 15 or 17 at one of my favourite bars a while ago and it was very nice. Expensive but the best I've tasted together with a Glengoyne15 a long time ago. Full round but not agressive and no tar or smooke.


Back on topic.. I agree that most of the budget should be at speakers and the room since that's were you get the most performance out of your hard earned money.


/Peter
 
spzzzzkt said:


Which really just confirms the conclusion of the study that peoples anticipated experience is closely correlated with results. You are tasting wine with the preconceived notion that you will not find a wine better than your 6euro bottle. The result is nothing you taste is better.


It's really very simple. The fact that the wine you drink costs 45 euro a bottle means additional stimulation of your pleasure centers in the brain. That means that when you drink that wine you experience more pleasure than when you drink the 6 euro wine. And if you experience more pleasure with one over the other you prefer that one. There's nothing 'preconceived' or 'wishfull thinking' in it. It's much more simple.

So when you drink wine 'blind' without knowing the price or provenance, the only thing your pleasure center has to go on is taste. DB tasting.

Jan
 
My pleasure center must be mocked up becasue I sure as hell do not enjoy something because it has a higher price tag.


Or maybe I just have a more open mind than the average guy wich lets me face new situations witout preconceived notions and bias. 😉

That said I do aprecciate quality in many areas and accept a premium price for that. However if a cheap product does the job (or taste good) than that is just so much better.


/Peter
 
You have a 16-bit synchronous rollover counter operating at 1284505600 Hz. Every 65536 cycles when the counter hits zero you load a new 16-bit sample into a reference register from memory and toggle the output bit. When the counter hits the reference value you toggle the output bit and wait to load the next sample. 44k1 PWM.

That's all she wrote.

Wut? Nobody else round here designs DACs?

w
 
Pan said:
My pleasure center must be mocked up becasue I sure as hell do not enjoy something because it has a higher price tag.


Or maybe I just have a more open mind than the average guy wich lets me face new situations witout preconceived notions and bias. 😉

That said I do aprecciate quality in many areas and accept a premium price for that. However if a cheap product does the job (or taste good) than that is just so much better.


/Peter

Am I the only one that sees the glaring contradiction between the first and last sentence??

Jan
 
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