Re: Clock division for CD ROM transport
That is very interesting!!! I would say solder the TDA1545A out of the player. Build an external TDA1545 (or TDA1541/1543) DAC with good supply. Throw a good 16.9 Mhz clock circuit in (like Guido Tent's clock, very compact). Reclock the I2S with the clock circuit (near the DAC) and lead the clock signal also into the CD-rom unit. That could be a killer transport+DAC combo!!!
I should try to get such a player! Does it have play/stop controls !?
Fedde
Oli said:I Picked up a cheap NEC CDR500 CD ROM drive at the weekend (SCSI). I have already taken it to pieces- a nice aluminium cast assembly like a CD-PRO mechanism. Unfortunately I was not too observant and there is no S/PDIF out! Looking on the board I have found a TDA1545A (with I2S bus). I wish to use the I2S, together with a CS8402A to provide me with a nice S/PDIF output so I can use with a variety of equipment (I know it is not the ultimate!) Of course I am going to reclock the transport. Currently the clock operates at 384 x fs (44100). However the Crystal Semiconductor transmitter only operates at 256 x fs
That is very interesting!!! I would say solder the TDA1545A out of the player. Build an external TDA1545 (or TDA1541/1543) DAC with good supply. Throw a good 16.9 Mhz clock circuit in (like Guido Tent's clock, very compact). Reclock the I2S with the clock circuit (near the DAC) and lead the clock signal also into the CD-rom unit. That could be a killer transport+DAC combo!!!
I should try to get such a player! Does it have play/stop controls !?
Fedde
It probobly is, atleast the Nec 6XE uses CXD2510Q it puts out I2s in japanese form...althogh it is quite possibly to use logic to convert it to "regular" spdif
but why would you want to encode the i2s to spdif isnt spdif already availible from the chipset in the player?...if so just use a 74vhc04 to resquare it and add some nice digital output driver..
http://www.diymania.net/pass/project/transport.htm
i just saw this transport...im thinking about rebuild my 6xe into something like that!
/micke
but why would you want to encode the i2s to spdif isnt spdif already availible from the chipset in the player?...if so just use a 74vhc04 to resquare it and add some nice digital output driver..
http://www.diymania.net/pass/project/transport.htm
i just saw this transport...im thinking about rebuild my 6xe into something like that!
/micke
hifi said:It probobly is, atleast the Nec 6XE uses CXD2510Q it puts out I2s in japanese form...althogh it is quite possibly to use logic to convert it to "regular" spdif
but why would you want to encode the i2s to spdif isnt spdif already availible from the chipset in the player?...if so just use a 74vhc04 to resquare it and add some nice digital output driver..
???
I don't want SP/DIF, I just want normal I2S output for TDA1541-1545...
If I build a custom transport, I use a custom interface 🙂
Fedde
Hmmm, you are right the TDA1545 also uses the japanese format 🙁
(I wonder why they didn't name it TDA1545J...)
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/pip/TDA1545AT.html
Fedde
(I wonder why they didn't name it TDA1545J...)
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/pip/TDA1545AT.html
Fedde
hifi said:I2s in japanese form
There is no such animal. It is either I2S or not.
ray.
No.. I2S comes in four different shapes
Normal
Sony / BB / jap
Left justifed
Right justifed
/ Mikael
Normal
Sony / BB / jap
Left justifed
Right justifed
/ Mikael
hifi said:No.. I2S comes in four different shapes
Normal
Sony / BB / jap
Left justifed
Right justifed
/ Mikael
Complete and utter rubbish. I2S, Inter IC Soundbus is a proprietary Philips format. While it might prove difficult to get hold of the original ELCOMA article introducing I2S, you can still get the I2S bus standard from the Philips website. Even a simple google search will produce it.
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/various/I2SBUS.pdf
ray.
what i meant was use the 1543a (or the current dac). i2s wont work without more effort.
But is it already oversampled before it goes to the dac???? if it is, spdif migh not be feasible (dont know) and using 1543a wont be non OS. Check the clockfreq!
GuidoB
But is it already oversampled before it goes to the dac???? if it is, spdif migh not be feasible (dont know) and using 1543a wont be non OS. Check the clockfreq!
GuidoB
This is just my 2 cents, but I would prefer that we keep this as a PC CD player used as a standalone CD player instead of a PC CD player used in an HTPC. I personally think it kills all the fun of the DIY 🙂
I made some experiences with an older Sony drive - I could extract from it controls and digital output (in Sony format). The initial setup was Sony CDROM - glue logic - AD1865N-K - my custom I/V stage. The sound was sterile and uninvolving, missing resolution and tonal balance.
Today I removed the clock resonator from the cdrom-board and I injected 33,86 MHz from a PLL clock source made with PLL1705. I exepected an improvement... but magic happened.
All bad things are gone - and replaced with that nice quality that you want to listen more and more.
Of course the setup can be improved - master clock directly to DAC comes next.
So I had the proof today: CDROM can sound great if properly set.
😎
Today I removed the clock resonator from the cdrom-board and I injected 33,86 MHz from a PLL clock source made with PLL1705. I exepected an improvement... but magic happened.
All bad things are gone - and replaced with that nice quality that you want to listen more and more.
Of course the setup can be improved - master clock directly to DAC comes next.
So I had the proof today: CDROM can sound great if properly set.
😎
Hi Lupulroz,
I had trouble to get digital signal out from the SONY CDROM. Would you please share me with your design to get the thing done.
Will even more appreciate if you can share with the clock PLL circuit.
Thanks
I had trouble to get digital signal out from the SONY CDROM. Would you please share me with your design to get the thing done.
Will even more appreciate if you can share with the clock PLL circuit.
Thanks
I used a Sony CDR-272 from 1996. If you have the same model I can help you with the signals. For PLL clock check PLL1705 datasheet at Texas Instruments website.
C compilers for the PIC Micro
Just came across these links:
C Compilers for the PIC Micro
C for PIC Microcontrollers, CD-ROM product
http://www.matrixmultimedia.co.uk
PCB compiler (for 12-bits PICs), PCM compiler (for 14-bits PICs), PCH compiler (for 18-bits PICs) and PCW(H) compiler (Windows version)
http://www.ccsinfo.com/picc.shtml
PCW demo version (1 k):
http://www.ccsinfo.com/demo.htm
C2C compiler:
http://www.picant.com/c2c/c.html
ConTEXT programming editor
http://www.fixedsys.com/context/
Might be of interest to some...
Just came across these links:
C Compilers for the PIC Micro
C for PIC Microcontrollers, CD-ROM product
http://www.matrixmultimedia.co.uk
PCB compiler (for 12-bits PICs), PCM compiler (for 14-bits PICs), PCH compiler (for 18-bits PICs) and PCW(H) compiler (Windows version)
http://www.ccsinfo.com/picc.shtml
PCW demo version (1 k):
http://www.ccsinfo.com/demo.htm
C2C compiler:
http://www.picant.com/c2c/c.html
ConTEXT programming editor
http://www.fixedsys.com/context/
Might be of interest to some...
sorry about my ignarance, but where is the SPDIF output on a CD-ROM drive? is it a seperate socket, or is it in the IDE connection?
It is a separate connector. It has 2 pins and not all drives have it!
BTW: very nice forum Matthew, thank you for reminding me 😀
Fedde
BTW: very nice forum Matthew, thank you for reminding me 😀
Fedde
Sony CD-Rom
Lupulroz
Any experience with Sony CDU55E - rated as good cd rom in its day - but only audio out connector - no dig out. I'm looking to put it to good use
John
I used a Sony CDR-272 from 1996. If you have the same model I can help you with the signals. For PLL clock check PLL1705 datasheet at Texas Instruments website
Lupulroz
Any experience with Sony CDU55E - rated as good cd rom in its day - but only audio out connector - no dig out. I'm looking to put it to good use
John
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