My wild guess would be that there is a distributed diffraction noise floor within some horns. I have no idea to what extent but if people will use LeCleach horns as tweeters and mention nothing but beaming, I have my doubts there. Maybe a rough surface could be responsible for a reflection floor of sorts. I think I've experienced what you describe. I'd say the horn isn't used right or is a poor choice for the job if this happens.. or has been compromised in the wrong ways.Joel Wesseling said:
I don't know about the hall sound, I find image depth is distinct. A good amp only helps. If there's detail there it's worthwhile. I also believe that termination should not be ignored.. if it has a lot of mismatch to contend with then it should be commensurately non-compromised.
A compression tweeter doesn't really need horn loading, and below it's range I'm not sure the things you mention are as critical. I think a waveguide should behave as just an inverted flat baffle. The concentration of sound on the walls against the direct sound is greater, but if the walls are good...
If the next range down is going to cover the room transition then the goals will be different, and the frequencies involved permit greater trade-offs.
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🙄Jay said:
What you heard must be a fault. All systems are prone to complications when they don't take in what they should, and pass it on properly. This ultimately includes the room as well as the horn.
You seem to like electrical analogies. Say an amplifier stage draws a non-constant current from a voltage source (a capacitor). It brings the capacitor's parasitics into the signal current path where they offer no benefit.
Direct radiators can be faulty too, when not done right.
A couple of things might happen when a driver is run through its breakup region. The directivity is messed up, and so is the resultant power response. This cannot be reversed with EQ, just reduced in level.
That's what I thought and said.
Sure. My point is: we should first understand the problem before we can fix it.
Personally, I have stopped taking opinions seriously. Without a confirming listen, all bets are off. That means also if I'm totally wrong, why should I care if I like what I hear?
But back to horns, and it's connected to what I wrote above.
I have an opinion that Avant Garde sounds good in general, here I've seen comments that are completely opposite??
I believe that all kinds of systems can be good as long it's well designed.
Bad comments of this and that system comes down to DIY mania and fixation on certain draw backs and of course personal choices.
Peter
But back to horns, and it's connected to what I wrote above.
I have an opinion that Avant Garde sounds good in general, here I've seen comments that are completely opposite??
I believe that all kinds of systems can be good as long it's well designed.
Bad comments of this and that system comes down to DIY mania and fixation on certain draw backs and of course personal choices.
Peter
That is true (although with many drivers, a lot less than it seems like a lot of people think - you can get pretty good polars out of an EQd 3-4"). But, in my opinion, when you're talking about killing the "dynamism", "detail", "liveliness" and etc. of small-single-driver speakers by EQing them to flat (or rather an appropriate "house curve" for their directivity and the space), nothing that complex is to blame at all.
You've simply taken the loudest, most resonant sounds from the upper mids / lower treble that the speaker was making, and turned them down. Of course it's less lively.
My buddy said (even crossing to subs 100z), that 2x12's a side is minimum.
I'm staring to agree.
I'm staring to agree.
..it's like asking "Do you find that your 400 HP sports car is unresponsive to the throttle around town and lugs going up hills?" I'm boggled.
That's an easy one:
-that 400 HP engine is coupled to an automatic transmission from Chrysler. 😛
One of those comments may have been mine. I've only heard them once, at the show in Montreal. Dreadful - and they should not be. From all appearances they should be very good. I suspect bad crossovers. They certainly were the talk of the show, not for good. 🙁 They have to, normally, be better than what I heard or they just couldn't sell any.
Similar with an all GOTO horn system at a show in Maryland. Should have been fabulous, but was screechy. Again, bad crossover. Such a shame.
Ah, now I remember it. Well, I'm just a few km's from an Avant Garde dealer in Germany for the moment. I will try to get there tomorrow and have a listen again. Although I don't like the owner. Last time I was there, he was claiming the subwoofer driver used in the Trio is small because small drivers are "faster" than bigger ones.
I don't want a fast speaker, I want them to stay where I put them and play accurate bass😱)
Peter
To answer the thread opening question, without a doubt, what makes it
dynamic is a quality recording, powerful amp, multi way speakers designed
to be accurate and capable of withstanding whatever amp throws at them.
I like dynamics, only I like my hearing capability more and I have no
intention of becoming a deaf DIYer so dynamics is not really that important
to me.
dynamic is a quality recording, powerful amp, multi way speakers designed
to be accurate and capable of withstanding whatever amp throws at them.
I like dynamics, only I like my hearing capability more and I have no
intention of becoming a deaf DIYer so dynamics is not really that important
to me.
Of course you don't. You can buy a sports car and not drive it any faster than 80 km/h.
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