LIFTER YOU STARTED THIS THIS THREAD
WITH THE TITLE (CRT IS NO GOOD)
I THROUGHT AT FIRST THE TITLE
WAS THE RESULT OF IGNORANCE
BUT AFTER READING ALL YOUR POST
ON THE SUBJECT I REALIZE
IT RERSULTS FROM STUPIDITY
FIRST YOU SAY (CRT IS NO GOOD)
THEN YOU GO ON ABOUT HOW GOOD
IT IS
THEN START GOING ON ABOUT
BURN IN AND ABOUT HOW FRAGILE
THEY ARE
AND BY THE WAY A CAPTURE CARD
DOES NOT COST 5,000 DOLLARS
THEN KENNY G
A LONG TIME CRT OWNER
PONTS OUT YOUR ERRORS
AND YOU ATTACK HIM
THERE IS NOT A LCD OR DLP THAT IS
EVEN COLSE TO A CRT PROJECTOR IN P.Q.
EVEN THE ONES SELLING FOR 70,000 AND UP
THE BLACKS HAVE IMPROVED BUT EVEN ON
THE MOST EXPENSIVE LCD AND DLP PROJECTOR
THE SHADOW DETAIL IS JUST BAD
YOU EVEN SAY THIS YOURSELF
SO WHEN A 70,000 AND UP DIGITAL
PROJECTOR CANT EVEN COME COLSE
TO A CRT PROJECTOR
WHAT HOPE DOES A D.I.Y. LCD PROJECTOR
XANATOS
WITH THE TITLE (CRT IS NO GOOD)
I THROUGHT AT FIRST THE TITLE
WAS THE RESULT OF IGNORANCE
BUT AFTER READING ALL YOUR POST
ON THE SUBJECT I REALIZE
IT RERSULTS FROM STUPIDITY
FIRST YOU SAY (CRT IS NO GOOD)
THEN YOU GO ON ABOUT HOW GOOD
IT IS
THEN START GOING ON ABOUT
BURN IN AND ABOUT HOW FRAGILE
THEY ARE
AND BY THE WAY A CAPTURE CARD
DOES NOT COST 5,000 DOLLARS
THEN KENNY G
A LONG TIME CRT OWNER
PONTS OUT YOUR ERRORS
AND YOU ATTACK HIM
THERE IS NOT A LCD OR DLP THAT IS
EVEN COLSE TO A CRT PROJECTOR IN P.Q.
EVEN THE ONES SELLING FOR 70,000 AND UP
THE BLACKS HAVE IMPROVED BUT EVEN ON
THE MOST EXPENSIVE LCD AND DLP PROJECTOR
THE SHADOW DETAIL IS JUST BAD
YOU EVEN SAY THIS YOURSELF
SO WHEN A 70,000 AND UP DIGITAL
PROJECTOR CANT EVEN COME COLSE
TO A CRT PROJECTOR
WHAT HOPE DOES A D.I.Y. LCD PROJECTOR
XANATOS
Look at the end of the day you will have two camps one for digital and others for the CRTs. AVS forum is even split like that. I personally like the picture on my CRT best....but i dont like that i can't move it, and window's isnt the best idea for it.
One day the digital people will make a projector better than CRTs in every way, but like anything it will take time.
One day the digital people will make a projector better than CRTs in every way, but like anything it will take time.
Ok, I apologize to everyone for the title of this thread. It was a just a shocking headline, nothing more. What I meant was, "I don't think CRT is a good choice for me and let me tell you why".
Yes, CRT scares me. No, I don't have one. I never claimed to have one. I never claimed to be an expert on using one. I have seen plenty and like I said 500 times, they look amazing. Read my first post an you'll all understand what I was getting at. I have a lot of reservations about CRTs. I'm still reading more and more about it.
Yes, CRT scares me. No, I don't have one. I never claimed to have one. I never claimed to be an expert on using one. I have seen plenty and like I said 500 times, they look amazing. Read my first post an you'll all understand what I was getting at. I have a lot of reservations about CRTs. I'm still reading more and more about it.
lifter
ahhh no probs lifter i dont have any prob in here so i dont need to take any apology from u or anyone else we should all just get along and know when toi bight our tongues but anyway lets forget the crap and get on with it. My thoughts on crt are great but the size of the unit and the maintenece is scary to me but thats me and my thoughts and yess ive always know that crt is a great pic but un practical for my situation and i may also say budget lol
Trev
ahhh no probs lifter i dont have any prob in here so i dont need to take any apology from u or anyone else we should all just get along and know when toi bight our tongues but anyway lets forget the crap and get on with it. My thoughts on crt are great but the size of the unit and the maintenece is scary to me but thats me and my thoughts and yess ive always know that crt is a great pic but un practical for my situation and i may also say budget lol
Trev
Lifter said:
So let me get this stright, you have never owned a CRT and you are daming them?
If you could find me some people that have a CRT projector and view them with the same contempt that you do, then you win.
I am sorry, but telling a bunch of videophiles that CRTs are not all they are cracked up to be is like walking into the middle of Yankee Stadium and bitch why no one is a Red Socks fan. You are more then welcome to back whatever team you want, that does not mean they are the best.
I agree, no need to apologize...CRT is very daunting.
With digital it's pretty much carry it in (with one hand) set it where you want it, size it, focus it and your done...what maybe 1/2 hour?
CRT is a two day installation and setup, and some CRT's are harder to setup than others.
As a one time Avionics tech (aircraft electronics) and now automated controls, I thought I could easily handle my first CRT...how wrong I was!
I bought the NEC XG135...of all the pj's made, it's the hardest to setup. However it's one of the few with color correction at a good price, so for me worth the gamble.
It took me three days to get a satisfactory picture, and a month before it was setup the way it should be. Much of that month was spent learning that pj inside and out...setting it up, then deleting the memory slot and setting it up again. Then adjusting the items mounted on the tubes (CPC magnets, deflection coils, etc) That month is now down to two days...but still how many people are willing to learn about such a complicated instrument? In this day and age plug-n-play is alot more appealling to 99%.
With CRT it's not hard to get a fair picture, but takes practice and patience to get an excellent one.
With digital it's pretty much carry it in (with one hand) set it where you want it, size it, focus it and your done...what maybe 1/2 hour?
CRT is a two day installation and setup, and some CRT's are harder to setup than others.
As a one time Avionics tech (aircraft electronics) and now automated controls, I thought I could easily handle my first CRT...how wrong I was!
I bought the NEC XG135...of all the pj's made, it's the hardest to setup. However it's one of the few with color correction at a good price, so for me worth the gamble.
It took me three days to get a satisfactory picture, and a month before it was setup the way it should be. Much of that month was spent learning that pj inside and out...setting it up, then deleting the memory slot and setting it up again. Then adjusting the items mounted on the tubes (CPC magnets, deflection coils, etc) That month is now down to two days...but still how many people are willing to learn about such a complicated instrument? In this day and age plug-n-play is alot more appealling to 99%.
With CRT it's not hard to get a fair picture, but takes practice and patience to get an excellent one.
XANATOS
It seems that your CAPS LOCK IS STUCK....please fix it, it's not polite to yell in this forum. Also "name calling" is hardly appropriate.
zardoz
It seems that your CAPS LOCK IS STUCK....please fix it, it's not polite to yell in this forum. Also "name calling" is hardly appropriate.
zardoz
XANATOS said:
You really need to fix that ALL CAPS business, no more all caps posts please.
zardoz
XANATOS said:
The only igonrance I see is your post. First of all, like why are you shouting? Like the good moderator said, turn your caps off. Second of all, that wansn't the title. The title was "CRT is no good IMO". There is a difference if your intelligent enough to figure it out, and if you read the post you'll see that I don't dispute any facts at all as far as image quality. Thirdly, CRT is fragile because can be damaged very easily- from burn-in which can happen to anyone from numerous reasons (video games, logos, improper calibration, etc.). Fourthly, a capture card or frame grabber with DVI, or RGB inputs (that accept up to 1920x1080) costs $5000 and up you moran.
Once again...Lifter NEVER came after me. The only persons he's gone after are the ones who have started by calling him names (or Stupid)
I in fact have found him to be someone who doesn't mind listening to the other side of the story. Perhaps the two people that have actually attacked him will note that he has come into the avs forum and asked a couple questions about CRT. Give this guy a break!
We are the intruders over here, so act with a bit of respect. If you take a look at all the threads in here, they are all LCD/ digital...this is not a CRT friendly area😉
Tread lightly, and bring facts.
Kenny
I in fact have found him to be someone who doesn't mind listening to the other side of the story. Perhaps the two people that have actually attacked him will note that he has come into the avs forum and asked a couple questions about CRT. Give this guy a break!
We are the intruders over here, so act with a bit of respect. If you take a look at all the threads in here, they are all LCD/ digital...this is not a CRT friendly area😉
Tread lightly, and bring facts.
Kenny
lifter
ehehehehe i would like to see the resolution of his face compared to a lcd projector if a few guys in here got hold of him lol, spose i shouldnt have said that, starts things off again lol anyway i thought it was funny
Trev
ehehehehe i would like to see the resolution of his face compared to a lcd projector if a few guys in here got hold of him lol, spose i shouldnt have said that, starts things off again lol anyway i thought it was funny
Trev
Another point to ponder as it relates to res sweet spot and 3:2 pulldown.
3.2 pulldown has nothing to do with the pj, all of that is done at the source, in my case (and I think yours) the HTPC. Since all I watch at this time on my system are film based movies, I use a refresh rate of 72hz (multiple of films 24 frames per second) so no 3:2 pulldown is performed.
As for CRT sweet spot...I'm not convinced it's that important, with a bandwidth of 150 mhz and H-scan rates as high as 120khz with V-scan rates to 150hz a CRT an handle anything you want to send to it. My NEC was running at 1440X960@72hz for awhile (twice the native res of DVD) but I got tired of the 4X3 res on a 16X9 screen, so I changed it to 1280X720...but I have several other input frequencies setup as well, 1080i, 1080p. Since CRT doesn't use a pixel structure per say, any resolution will look good on them. The idea is to fill the screen with the most "pixels" possible without creating scan overlap. With my system, at 720p once my viewing distance passes 6 ft I can no longer see scan lines. So that's kinda the idea as it relates to res/ freq and CRT.
As I understand it, with panel displays it's important to keep the input res the same as the panel's pixel structure? A 800X600 panel needs a 800X600 res input?
3.2 pulldown has nothing to do with the pj, all of that is done at the source, in my case (and I think yours) the HTPC. Since all I watch at this time on my system are film based movies, I use a refresh rate of 72hz (multiple of films 24 frames per second) so no 3:2 pulldown is performed.
As for CRT sweet spot...I'm not convinced it's that important, with a bandwidth of 150 mhz and H-scan rates as high as 120khz with V-scan rates to 150hz a CRT an handle anything you want to send to it. My NEC was running at 1440X960@72hz for awhile (twice the native res of DVD) but I got tired of the 4X3 res on a 16X9 screen, so I changed it to 1280X720...but I have several other input frequencies setup as well, 1080i, 1080p. Since CRT doesn't use a pixel structure per say, any resolution will look good on them. The idea is to fill the screen with the most "pixels" possible without creating scan overlap. With my system, at 720p once my viewing distance passes 6 ft I can no longer see scan lines. So that's kinda the idea as it relates to res/ freq and CRT.
As I understand it, with panel displays it's important to keep the input res the same as the panel's pixel structure? A 800X600 panel needs a 800X600 res input?
LIFTER
the word is moron
please when you conter atack me
spell correctly so i can appreciat
how badly i have been wounded🙂
actually crt projectors are pretty dam*n
tough my first projector six years ago was a advent videobeam
model 1000 this projector is now over 30 years old
and still works my fourth a barco 808
i used on a 100 inch 4x3 curved screen
from vutec
i put over 7,000 hours on this projector
with out any signs of burn or wear
this projector is still going strong
in my brothers home theater
XANATOS
the word is moron
please when you conter atack me
spell correctly so i can appreciat
how badly i have been wounded🙂
actually crt projectors are pretty dam*n
tough my first projector six years ago was a advent videobeam
model 1000 this projector is now over 30 years old
and still works my fourth a barco 808
i used on a 100 inch 4x3 curved screen
from vutec
i put over 7,000 hours on this projector
with out any signs of burn or wear
this projector is still going strong
in my brothers home theater
XANATOS
Xanatos
If you insist on looking for spelling mistakes..."appreciat" is spelled with an "e" on the end of the word. And "thought" does not have an "r" in it "THROUGHT", also "results" is not spelled "RERSULTS" "COLSE" I think you meant "close".
The finger pointing must stop! We are here to learn and exchange ideas, if you don't wish to take part in a civil discussion please refrain from posting.
zardoz
If you insist on looking for spelling mistakes..."appreciat" is spelled with an "e" on the end of the word. And "thought" does not have an "r" in it "THROUGHT", also "results" is not spelled "RERSULTS" "COLSE" I think you meant "close".
The finger pointing must stop! We are here to learn and exchange ideas, if you don't wish to take part in a civil discussion please refrain from posting.
zardoz
I've owned 2 CRT projectors, the first a Klauss Nova Beam 1A...impossible to converge. The second was a JBL...not worth the cost of the parts to build it. Granted these are 2 of probably the worst examples of CRT projectors out there. I figured that when the pair of them were given to me for nothing.
zardoz
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