Yes... deceleration is the problem. My wife sends to me to get bread at the convenience store one weekend. I accelerate from my drive way and drive past the convenience store on my way to work. So about half way there I think to myself I am not working today, I need to pick up the bread. So I decelerate, stop, turn around and accelerate once again. I drive past the convenience store for the second time and decelerate into my driveway before realizing I still don't have the bread... and think to myself this is all my wife's fault...Remember what happened to Dark Helmet when they did hit the brakes, right? The reality is that all aboard would be turned to “pink mist”. A thin layer of it, smeared evenly on the bulkheads. Slowing down from light speed to orbital velocity at 10 G’s would take a month. I’d be sick to my stomach by then. Clearly there are problems to be worked out.
The best bet is to send AI into space, and bring back to Earth anything we need. As humans, the pudgy meat sacks we call 'bodies' are incompatible with deep space. That includes our fragile minds. Humans go mad away from Earth.
It isn't that long ago that the Britisch Government mandated that no train should go faster then 22 miles per hour as that was the absolute speed limit human bodies can withstand. That was just before they mandated that a person waving a red flag should walk in front of each automobile to warn the populace of impeding danger.
Anything becomes fluid under pressure.
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Anything becomes fluid under pressure.
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When a scientist says that something is possible, he is most probably right.
When a scientist says something is impossible, he most probably is wrong.
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When a scientist says something is impossible, he most probably is wrong.
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Or look at the development of batteries spurred on by electric vehicles. Ten years ago the general consensus was that battery capacity versus volume and weight is too small to be a meaningful source of long range automotive power. But the financial rewards were so great that we now have, what, quadrupled or more the Watt per kilogram in 10 years. Same story with solar cells.
For humanity, even the sky isn't the limit. We are a species that doesn't evolve to fit a changing environment - we change the environment to fit us. Which has the real danger to stop our evolution but that's another story.
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For humanity, even the sky isn't the limit. We are a species that doesn't evolve to fit a changing environment - we change the environment to fit us. Which has the real danger to stop our evolution but that's another story.
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Except diamond.Anything becomes fluid under pressure.
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Or look at the development of batteries spurred on by electric vehicles. Ten years ago the general consensus was that battery capacity versus volume and weight is too small to be a meaningful source of long range automotive power.
As a further aside to this, it isn't only capacity to weight ratio, rather the high current charge capability to perhaps minimize waiting times at charging stations that is also very impressive. What seems not being said though, is that there is a penalty to be paid for high current charging. Increasing current in the recharging increases heat that in turn reduces the number of recycles before battery capacity drops off to lets say 90%. I suspect... as a conspiracy theorist... that the numbers of recycles being presented is for slow charging in ones garage perhaps. I suspect that the resale value of electric vehicles is still.... well... a primary reason not to go this route.
You're probably right. No conspiracy - just clever marketing.
Just as the miles per gallon specs for gas cars.
Unless you call marketing as such a conspiracy.
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Just as the miles per gallon specs for gas cars.
Unless you call marketing as such a conspiracy.
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Any references? Submariners spend months in windowless metal tubes under conditions at least as deadly. Not seeing why 'deep' is a differentiator.meat sacks we call 'bodies' are incompatible with deep space.
There is still gravity on board a submarine. You know which way is UP, and your bones and muscles don’t start deteriorating as rapidly. One can also come up for air periodically, or in an emergency.
And you can shower or **** any time you need to. Water is not at a premium.
And you can shower or **** any time you need to. Water is not at a premium.
Gravity is a different variable already familiar to low orbit astronauts. Unrelated to 'deep'. Over long term the physiological effects are known and specific to the current craft designs. Designs to factor this have been discussed for generations.
Any references regarding psychological effects? The claim isn't that interplanetary travel is challenging, but psychologically and physiologically unachievable.
Any references regarding psychological effects? The claim isn't that interplanetary travel is challenging, but psychologically and physiologically unachievable.
Unless you call marketing as such a conspiracy.
No. Conspiracy suggests engaging in something unlawful.
I think of advertising and marketing mostly as lying. Lying consists of creating presentations which may or may not be known true, being in wilful absence of presentations thought or known would undermine the sales of an item intended sold. I suspect this mostly covers everything. Lying is intention to deceive.
Very related to “deep”. “Deep space” implies you may be away from gravity for a lot more than 60 days. A week doesnt seem to have any permanent detrimental effect. Many months? Not the same. No one knows what two years would do because it’s never been tried like that before. “Hell, we’ve never even simulated it”.
No one said it would be easy or dismisses the challenges that await. But to give up without trying? Seems utterly defeatist.And you can shower or **** any time you need to. Water is not at a premium.
If the money and volunteers can be found then it's between them I think.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/consider-the-elon-musk-mars-fantasy.417528/post-7793982“Hell, we’ve never even simulated it”.
Precisely. So we find a solution.No one knows what two years would do because it’s never been tried like that before.
Shorter journeys, centrifuges to generate the sensation of gravity. Medicine to prevent decalcification and muscle loss.
As we've never tried this we have no way to know what's possible and what's not. Until we try.
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