Playing on low volume in a small living room 25m^2 I'm using HF108-8 with 8-order high pass filter (DSP) and ~700 Hz xover point in a 32cm self-standing "Sandhorn" designed by MaBat.
- http://www.at-horns.eu/lsh.html
Vertical simulations of a loudspeaker and the horn itself attached.
- http://www.at-horns.eu/lsh.html
Vertical simulations of a loudspeaker and the horn itself attached.
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I tend to agree regarding the DE250, but it depends on the horn. This driver is VERY sensitive to loading. The ME45 is one of the best horns for it and reduces much of the in your face tonality of the DE250. I also find that the 16 ohm version is a bit smoother overall without alot of the loeer treble glare compared to the 8 ohm version.
As for the WG10, I wasn't aware it was impossible to get i have a few pairs of these for the usual 2 ways I've built with 12MH32s. This WG goes low with the HF108 and slightly limited on the Celestion CDX1-1745, which is another favorite.
For those wanting to add the last bit of sparkle to the top end of a driver, I advise using the DE35 or the Dayton PHT1-6 planar horn tweeter.
As for the WG10, I wasn't aware it was impossible to get i have a few pairs of these for the usual 2 ways I've built with 12MH32s. This WG goes low with the HF108 and slightly limited on the Celestion CDX1-1745, which is another favorite.
For those wanting to add the last bit of sparkle to the top end of a driver, I advise using the DE35 or the Dayton PHT1-6 planar horn tweeter.
I have mixed experiences with the XT1086, but it highly depends on the driver combined with it. The issue with most larger diaphragm drivers on the XT1086 is the higher rate of top end drop-off above mass rolloff. It can be corrected but with a passive xover above 10k it gets close to falling lower than the LF driver base sensitivity. Itsxa good sounding horn, but only with very specific drivers.The XT1086 works well to about 1kHz, and is what i will try first. It's constant directive what i want, and has proven results and easy to find.
Can you share the link to the SUB isolatorI have used NSD1095N now for a couple of years and tweaked and have had various success with nice results. But there was always something in this system that was not quite right - a bit gritty, sibilance, hardness... I have heard the same reports from others here and some have given up on the driver.
Yesterday I hooked up a USB isolator between my Mac mini computer and the DAC (slightly tweaked smsl SU-1) and for the first time I hear no ill will, no hardness, no sibilance - just a very well behaved upper range - zero stress on ear all of a sudden - wonderful. (Xo@1,6kLR4)
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This is a clear example of the source being the culprit and the driver actually revealing it. The NSD1095N doesn't sugar coat or polish anything, especially up top in the treble. Its a very accurate driver and needs a clean signal path to shine. Any pollution in the audio will ruin your listening experience. If you're trying to use this driver for casual listening, its not going to serve you well. Something with a polymer diaphragm would be more suitable ie. Faital HF108, Celestion CDX1-1745, etcI have used NSD1095N now for a couple of years and tweaked and have had various success with nice results. But there was always something in this system that was not quite right - a bit gritty, sibilance, hardness... I have heard the same reports from others here and some have given up on the driver.
Yesterday I hooked up a USB isolator between my Mac mini computer and the DAC (slightly tweaked smsl SU-1) and for the first time I hear no ill will, no hardness, no sibilance - just a very well behaved upper range - zero stress on ear all of a sudden - wonderful. (Xo@1,6kLR4)
Perhaps most of the negative experience of this driver has to do with the system in front of it? I'm amazed over what comes out of it now. Really...!
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A ground loop in the USB feed will definitely induce noise and ruin the audio. Even if its not embedded in the direct audio, it can induce filtering artifacts and jitter, which is obviously not good.
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Firstly I would like to correct my description - my DACs (2 pcs) is connected via a RME Digiface, so: Mac mini -> isolator -> RME - > Toslinks -> DACs. But still, the isolator gave the described improvement for me. A fellow DIYer also got one of these but used it between a Mac and the DAC. He had the same experiance of improvement. My first trial was with direct connection and headphones. Member @altor makes these... I have no other affiliation than being a happy customer. I first got one to use in my recording rig but also tried it in my sound system.Can you share the link to the SUB isolator
https://www.altor.co/products/test-equipment/usb-isolator
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What woofer will you cross to? Have you had any experience with faitals lower cost compression drivers?Well, I ordered some Faital HF108-8's and a pair of XT1086 horns, I know that combo and it works well in a build i did for someone else crossed at 1kHz. I'll use a different woofer, but i'll probally do the same tweeter as then. I may try some other compression drivers also, like the 4550 or that PVR (i'll still have to look at it). But I know that Faital is good and hard to beat (on a budget).
Not such a fan of B&C compression drivers for hifi altough. They are not really bad, but not the sound i like. They are very good for high power systems, but to rude sounding for hifi in my opinion. The DE250 is also like that.
The frequency response looks incredibly flat even past 1000hz. Have you used one before? Looks a bargain.I only have experience with the HF108 and HF201 and both are great. I will probally use the Faital 10FE330 woofer, but it's not decided yet. For testing i will try them first with the Scanspeak 26W8534G00 i already have (in cabinet), but that will probally not be ideal.
The faital not, it's fairly new. But i thought the same, and my experience with faital is very good in general. They make very high quality drivers for a fair price. It's an old big italian OEM company that around the millenium change decided to also launch their own brand of pro audio speaker drivers.
Your project has sparked my interest. Are you going to document it on this thread?The faital not, it's fairly new. But i thought the same, and my experience with faital is very good in general. They make very high quality drivers for a fair price. It's an old big italian OEM company that around the millenium change decided to also launch their own brand of pro audio speaker drivers.
Maybe, but i'm not starting the build very soon. I got other stuff on my mind first, and i like to take my time to plan everything and make a lot of variations of it to find the right one. So it can take some years before i really start building. It's brewing in my mind now.
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