Insults? Wiggins did some good work for Sonos, but they make shlock, Genelec does some serious work but driven by ts specific market. Harman have a range from crap to superb, again heavily driven by the markets it serves. each has its own experiences and expertise.
I have my own experience and knowledge, deep in places, shallow in others. Hifi is such a large space of budgets/needs/taste. Despite
Tweeter adds the compromise of an XO and a physically displaced tweeter. Plus if you are adding it to a FR, the cost of the tweeter & XO.
Many people are happy with their FRs, across all levels of listening experiece & training.You’ll justb have to love with that fact.
dave
Appreciate an explanation why a good fullrange driver cannot be DSP optimized, and more easily than multi-way and coaxial (of the same size-class), for coherent very high fidelity music and transcient response. I don't have DSP (other than smartphone) and am genuinely interested (and have read relevant FIR threads).
Narrow dispersion is a limitation for both fullrange drivers and tweeters at high frequency (wave not much larger than transducer become directional). Fidelity is fundamentally limited by bandwidth -- at the ears. (I've done the KEF LS50 Meta and the holographic coherence zone was still very narrow despite cone-waveguide-distortion-effects.)
OP might consult this long "working" thread on coaxial ragged response, which I hogged 10% (27/269 msgs).
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Uh huh, whatever you say mr, forum person who can never provide data to back up their claims.
And that market is people who care about accurate audio reproduction.
I have heard this a lot in DIY audio, and it's probably the most empty statement one could make about a speaker.
You missed my point entirely. My point was that OP, and really everyone here should stop taking anecdotes as evidence of anything other than "This person likes this". OP asked a question that is largely technical in nature, and I provided him with an accurate comparison between two types of speakers and backed up the comparisons with data. Your arguments fall entirely down to subjective anecdotes which really are not helpful in the slightest. How is the OP or anyone else supposed to verify your experiences?
Yeah that's just not really a problem though. The compromises are full range makes are worse than the ones a multi way creates. If it were the other way around, full range drivers would actually exist outside of ripping off hobbyists and diy forums. It's just not a great way to reproduce audio in various ways.
The days of speaker guru's and such are over. If one cannot provide objective information to go along with their subjective impressions, the info shared is meaningless. You're at home here though because a lot of users just eat up much of the crap that is spewed. I've said about all I need to here, I'll leave you all to it.
A whole genre there. Often driver my the FR measurement. No one has really defined accurate so we are now into, “how is the data interpreted” particularily with important data MIA.
dave
Seemingly flat amplitude FR chart for a multi-way, but without phase/step/impulse response information, is misleading at best.
I actually have some Lowthers but not front-horn. My PM6A 15ohm Al-coil rolled-whizzer after necessary-double-notch in 17L TLonken sounded relaxing and quite dry (in a high-fidelity way). My PM2A ticonal in Fidelio back-horn sounded excellent but not as resolving/dynamic as my better diys.
I actually have some Lowthers but not front-horn. My PM6A 15ohm Al-coil rolled-whizzer after necessary-double-notch in 17L TLonken sounded relaxing and quite dry (in a high-fidelity way). My PM2A ticonal in Fidelio back-horn sounded excellent but not as resolving/dynamic as my better diys.
p.s. I don't have large classic Tannoy for comparison with Lowther; Precision 8/woof (diy experiment) just so-so. OTOH Faital HF108 CD has wider VHF dispersion horn-or-not but some other issues (to be worked out).
"Too good to be true" tweeter / waveguide available or unobtainium? Thanks.
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Well, since the zero mention on the particular setup and expectations, besides a vague mention of horn and Lowthers,
I will stick to the best answer available when there's no information other than "what's the best?" and the following replies (relevant or not) that are thrown in the mix....
The answer is 42.
I will stick to the best answer available when there's no information other than "what's the best?" and the following replies (relevant or not) that are thrown in the mix....
The answer is 42.
There are no good fullranges - it is an oxymoron! 🙂
Cone brakeup, resonances and restricted high-frequency dispersion variable with frequency are characteristics of all fullranges, which can't be corrected with DSP.
1" waveguides are more available, but 3/4" can be printed:
https://josephcrowe.com/products/1324-dome-tweeter-waveguide-3d-cad-file-sb-acoustics-sb19st-c000-4