Ciare 250

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Nuuk said:
My view so far is that the Ciares are like a BMW/Mercedes, ie work very well and do everything right but lack a bit in personality. The Goodmans are more like a Jaguar, not so reliable, a little quirky but lots of fun. This says more about how I preceive cars than speakers though and I hope that I haven't offended anybody! 😀
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It's a question of pedigree.😀
With money to buy a Ferrari, I would buy an Aston Martin instead.
 
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Nuuk said:
My view so far is that the Ciares are like a BMW/Mercedes, ie work very well and do everything right but lack a bit in personality. The Goodmans are more like a Jaguar, not so reliable, a little quirky but lots of fun. This says more about how I preceive cars than speakers though and I hope that I haven't offended anybody! 😀
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A pretty good take (on the cars) if you ask me....

dave
 
#166
Re: digi amp

ralf said:
..Panasonic Sa-XR 70

Because of the low price of Panasonic its not worth to build a t-amp.
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My T-Amp is now running perfect with the right PSU. I borrowed a Panasonic SA-XR30 for comparison. CD-Player/ digital drive is a NAD 514 - not the best CD-Player, but very musical. The Panasonic is far ahead in any respect, even musicality.
 
#168
Hi back to the Ciare plot!

How about trying the Dayton 3/4inch tweeters
DAYTON ND20TA-6 or the
DAYTON ND20TB-4 REAR-MOUNT

Could cut them down even more and either mount them on an arm over the driver on try for a centre placement
with some sort of glued in mount.
Seem to be cheap enough. Remember some Italian made
melon shaped speakers with centre mounted tweeters
On the cars: I once owned a Daimler limo and enjoyed
my brother's Lotus Europa but that's dating me! Used to
see those AM DB6's on the road near Newport Pagnell.
Very nice.

Really enjoying this tread.

regards

AnthonyPT
 
#169
You get the Coles Mylar Supertweeters (the ones from the Spendor BC1 - good speakers, but I am glad I have migrated to the Ciares) in any desired impedance. You can get it in 2 Ohm or something to get a matching SPL - when your amp likes strange impedance curves. But I would be more confident about a high sensitivity 8 Ohm horn solution with energy heated away by a resistor.
 
#171
CH250 Burn-in time

Nuuk and others,

What is your experience of the burn-in time for the CH250. Do they sound OK at first go ? How about the bass ? Becuase the excursion is small, does this (typically) need a long break-in time before the bass gets full.

Best Regards
 
#172
What is your experience of the burn-in time for the CH250. Do they sound OK at first go ? How about the bass ? Becuase the excursion is small, does this (typically) need a long break-in time before the bass gets full.
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Yes they need quite a lot of burn in time in my experience and start to grow on you slowly.

But I find they do need the help of a sub. I am currently drving mine with an unmodified T-AMP so I am not using the subs. I widened the baffles to 65 cm but it still sounds a bit bass light. Of course, with those tiny input caps in the T-AMP, it may be a bit unfair to blame the Ciares for the lack of bass. I'll know better when I modify the T-AMP! 😉

I don't know if Ropie is reading this but he heard my Ciares without the subs when they were driven by myLM3886 Gainclone and he may care to offer his opinion.
 
#173
This weekend, I tried the Ciares with my SI T-AMP and the Autostriure 2020 amp but it didn't seem to work for some reason. Female vocals were rather too prominent and there just wan't that 'nice' factor.

So, I have re-instated the Goodmans 201 baffles and I'm afraid that I have to say that, as good as the Ciare 250's are, these modified 201's are a street ahead. Perhaps that's not surprising given the original build quality and the fact that they were re-built/modified by one of the best speaker builders in the UK!

I haven't the room (or desire) to keep two large open baffle systems here so it looks like there will be a mint pair of Ciares going if anybody is interested! :att'n:
 
#174
Ohhh me too me too

I have a pair of PH250 enclosed in a reflex box, the project is from Ciare as well.
It is driven from my 2A3 PP monoblocks and I am quite happy of the results, I could not believe but highs are good too.

I would try the open baffle but I really don't know where to start from ... would any of you suggest me what dimension the panel should have. Consider the room is something like 5mt*4mt?

Grazie.
Gianluca (an ABSOLUTE beginner)
 
#178
I tried a tweeter with my baffles but didn't think that it was really necessary (after taking it out again to hear the difference).

Try searching for the thread about Norbert's open-baffles. He used the CH250 without and sub or tweeter and found it to be satisfactory. From memory, the baffle size was around 67 cm wide by 105 cm tall with the driver slightly offset to one side.
 
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