Franz G said:
I have a VBIGC (without t-network) that I run with Buschhorns with Radio Shack 40-1197 drivers. The BHorns cost me approx. £85 in total and to my ears it is the best setup I've ever heard. The bass is there aplenty, though the really deep stuff is missing.
I am considering upgrading the drivers to Fostex 108E when the funds are available
and hopefully before this I will be putting a regulated supply in the VBIGC.Edit: the BHorns don't have the recommended notchfilter though I did put some of Dave's wooden phase plugs in the drivers. Also, Franz, it looks like you have your speaker wires going directly to drivers (without speaker posts) which I also do - cuts out one of the breaks in the signal chain.
How about these speakers. Haven't heard them. But they would surely pass the Gainclone simplicity criteria!
http://www.diyaudio.8m.com/Solo/solo.html
I like the slim boxes.
Steen.
http://www.diyaudio.8m.com/Solo/solo.html
I like the slim boxes.
Steen.
steenoe said:
This is the single driver version of the Bert Doppenberg ML-TQWT designed for the no longer available ACR double magnet version of the FE103. I've heard lots of the double driver version with FE103A & 1197. Not overlll as dynamic as the B-Horns, and not as good as Tim Forman's BV-1 which is also an ML-TQWT but optimized for the 1197 using Martin King's sw.
dave
Franz G said:
I call this arrogance.
Franz G said:They are suitable for small to medium rooms.
You will not be satisfied, when you like to drive for example Reggae in high level. Definitely not!
You contradict yourself and come to the point I wanted to.
I don't listen to Raggae, but if a speaker doesn't let me listen to Ben Harper, it's not for me, thank you.
A good speaker should play everything well, otherwise you find yourself buying music for the speaker and not for you.
It's so romantic the idea of a single driver doing everything well, isn't it?
I don't believe in miracles.
planet10 said:
Really, less bass? I have read elsewhere that they are an improvement in all areas over the 1197s. I suppose it would depend on the entire system.
In any form though, they match the GC very well indeed, though Franz is right; they obviously won't bowl you over with power, not that they can't kick out the music well enough for most situations
Carlosfm
Please, don't let us fight. But be aware: you write here in "my thread", as you wrote today somewhere else "your thread".
This thread is intended to present good suggestions of speakers together with gainclones, it is not "my thread".
It was not intended to discreditate solutions as you did with my (and the Fostex) solution.
Sorry, Carlos!
Do you have a suggestion for an easy diy speaker, good suitable for gainclones? Then you're very welcome to post it right here, with details to clone your solution.
Please! You know my mail adressee, and we can "speak" direct together, if you want.
Friendly, your
Franz
Please, don't let us fight. But be aware: you write here in "my thread", as you wrote today somewhere else "your thread".
This thread is intended to present good suggestions of speakers together with gainclones, it is not "my thread".
It was not intended to discreditate solutions as you did with my (and the Fostex) solution.
Sorry, Carlos!
Do you have a suggestion for an easy diy speaker, good suitable for gainclones? Then you're very welcome to post it right here, with details to clone your solution.
Please! You know my mail adressee, and we can "speak" direct together, if you want.
Friendly, your
Franz
Franz,
I gave a suggestion, not very detailed, but still a suggestion.
Pardon me if I and other members pointed out some limitations of your design.
I should be expecting your reaction, as in other threads.
There's no perfect combination, as on the title of this thread.
I don't believe in perfection.
Everything is compromises, there are just better, very good combinations or maby the best combination (if you try them all - impossible task).
You say that this is not your thread, but you always put very strict rules in your threads.
Censorship and dictators are not my cup of tea, maby some people can live with that.
Again, I leave this thread for the "specialists".
Note: I will learn not to post in your threads.
I gave a suggestion, not very detailed, but still a suggestion.
Pardon me if I and other members pointed out some limitations of your design.
I should be expecting your reaction, as in other threads.
There's no perfect combination, as on the title of this thread.
I don't believe in perfection.
Everything is compromises, there are just better, very good combinations or maby the best combination (if you try them all - impossible task).
You say that this is not your thread, but you always put very strict rules in your threads.
Censorship and dictators are not my cup of tea, maby some people can live with that.
Again, I leave this thread for the "specialists".
Note: I will learn not to post in your threads.
My living room tonight looks like this:
I am a specialist, Carlos?
Really, Carlos: please let us have fun together in future with our gainclone and other solutions. But dont discreditate, what other people like!
Happy ears
Franz
Edit: the idea of the showed configuration is, to enhance the level of a dedicated frequency with the front horn. So, the contradictionary solution to the traditional corrections. No coils, no crossovers, nothing passive after the amps output.
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
I am a specialist, Carlos?
Really, Carlos: please let us have fun together in future with our gainclone and other solutions. But dont discreditate, what other people like!
Happy ears
Franz
Edit: the idea of the showed configuration is, to enhance the level of a dedicated frequency with the front horn. So, the contradictionary solution to the traditional corrections. No coils, no crossovers, nothing passive after the amps output.
How about these:
http://www.speaker-online.de/bauen/bhorn.htm
A bit of woodwork, to be sure, but surely in keeping with the minimalist GC idea, and not too difficult.
And if my very bad German serves me correctly
, the blurb says that the bass is surprisingly good from a 3 inch fullrange driver.
http://www.speaker-online.de/bauen/bhorn.htm
A bit of woodwork, to be sure, but surely in keeping with the minimalist GC idea, and not too difficult.
And if my very bad German serves me correctly
, the blurb says that the bass is surprisingly good from a 3 inch fullrange driver.
No no!
This is the Buschhorn MK1, completely
(a single tone bass like a chiquita box).I can look in the face of Dr. med Andreas Buschhorn and tell him, the Buschhorn MK1 is not great, and he will agree with me.
O.K. for the Visaton FRS8, maybe. But today, you get much better Tang Band fullrange speakers out of Taiwan, and very good plans to build good speakers with the Tang Band's!
Again: the Buschhorn is one of the great internet myth's! A really good name for a speaker, so many people find it with search engines.
Forget about it, the Fostex recommended enclosures are much better!
In my opinion and experience, japanese engineering is MUCH more advanced in this topic than german engineering.
And again: Dr. med. Andreas Buschhorn is not an audio engineer, he is medical doctor and shares the same hobby as we do!
Franz
Franz, your Fostex horns looks pretty good, so they would be
one possibillity. The woodwork would probobly be a bit complicated for some DIY'ers though. But, surely you cant have it
all from a 4" speaker, even with a sophisticated box like yours.
Then again, you probobly can't have it all from a Gainclone. So it would be really nice with a good compromise that sounds great.
This thread is a brilliant idea, so it would be very good if a couple of good solutions would pop up!!!
A few good alternatives will be, I think, a good thing for many of the Gainclone builders around.
That could be a small inexpensive box, easy to build, well sounding, and very tolerant about placing in the room, and, and....
Mission impossible or what?
Are those Fostex horns placing dependant? Or are they fairly tolerant about that?
Steen.
one possibillity. The woodwork would probobly be a bit complicated for some DIY'ers though. But, surely you cant have it
all from a 4" speaker, even with a sophisticated box like yours.
Then again, you probobly can't have it all from a Gainclone. So it would be really nice with a good compromise that sounds great.
This thread is a brilliant idea, so it would be very good if a couple of good solutions would pop up!!!
A few good alternatives will be, I think, a good thing for many of the Gainclone builders around.
That could be a small inexpensive box, easy to build, well sounding, and very tolerant about placing in the room, and, and....
Mission impossible or what?
Are those Fostex horns placing dependant? Or are they fairly tolerant about that?
Steen.
I am courios to, for many other good suggestions!
Yes, most horn speakers are quite placing dependant.
But dont forget: with every speaker does the room play with. You can have 6dB more or less in the bass region, depending on the room.
Franz
P.S.
The woodwork of the fostex speaker is easy, because just right angles! Dont try to round up corners inside the horn, as the corners are blocking mid and high frequencies!
Yes, most horn speakers are quite placing dependant.
But dont forget: with every speaker does the room play with. You can have 6dB more or less in the bass region, depending on the room.
Franz
P.S.
The woodwork of the fostex speaker is easy, because just right angles! Dont try to round up corners inside the horn, as the corners are blocking mid and high frequencies!
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