I have, but I don’t see from you a specific recommendation, you only continue to say that cheap mic won’t stay stable over time. Again, if you have found a mic that is not expensive but stay stable, can you share it here? TIA
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Helpful article:
Measurement Microphone Comparison — Jochen Schulz
And like i posted earlier in thread, just my experience, but after 15-20 years of use, ECM8000's are still holding up fine.
Oh, and another decent relatively low cost mic
Rational RTA-420 Measurment Microphone
– Rational Acoustics Online Store
Measurement Microphone Comparison — Jochen Schulz
And like i posted earlier in thread, just my experience, but after 15-20 years of use, ECM8000's are still holding up fine.
Oh, and another decent relatively low cost mic
Rational RTA-420 Measurment Microphone
– Rational Acoustics Online Store
I was able to find only one of the two calibration files I have.. 😱 (..I'm pretty sure the other Dayton mic. that I don't use is in storage along with the Behringer and a LOT of other stuff.)
Actually, it was something of a miracle I could find this one (..it was on my tablet, both my server and my PC are currently dismantled as I go through a major overhaul of both, and I'm currently stuck in GPU-hell waiting "in line" for EVGA to sell me an over-priced video card.) 😡 😀
This was my experience as well.. though to be fair I rarely (extremely so), use them and put them back in their case after use. Also, humidity in my home is fairly consistent (and high) and is a low static environment (..and I'm basically at sea-level).
The better mic's that are far less prone to changes have metal diaphragms and are considerably more expensive than the plastic diaphragm capsules. (..like starting at $700 US and going quickly up from their.)
This one is considered a "reference" for loudspeaker testing:
ACO Pacific Microphones
Here are 2 different class 1 1/4" capsules, the more expensive one has a metal diaphragm:
1/4” Measuring Microphone Capsule class 1
1/4” Measuring Microphone Capsule class 1 MTG MK301E
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Hi mbrenwa,
Reading your experience with ECM800, Beyerdynamic M1 and Isemcon 7150 the conclusion is there's no middle ground. Isemcon which costs 253 euro also drifts in performance after a few years. Either you go with the sub 100 euro mic for starters or bite the bullet with Earthworks or same level.
Reading your experience with ECM800, Beyerdynamic M1 and Isemcon 7150 the conclusion is there's no middle ground. Isemcon which costs 253 euro also drifts in performance after a few years. Either you go with the sub 100 euro mic for starters or bite the bullet with Earthworks or same level.
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Thanks for this link Mark. The recommendation part is in line what you and others here like fluid and Scott have been saying.
Sonarworks Xref20 is my first choice now. Calibrated mics from Cross Spectrum labs is out of the question considering the landing cost here after duties would be nearing the price of Isemcon 7150.
Line Audio OM1 is still under my consideration, but I can't find any feedback here when used for measurements, it has been getting rave reviews for music recording work from the pro audio market though.
for audio interface I am leaning towards Motu M4 since my laptop has a USB-C port.
Any other disputes, suggestions, violent reactions? 😀
thanks guys, I appreciate the discussion.
Line Audio OM1 is still under my consideration, but I can't find any feedback here when used for measurements, it has been getting rave reviews for music recording work from the pro audio market though.
for audio interface I am leaning towards Motu M4 since my laptop has a USB-C port.
Any other disputes, suggestions, violent reactions? 😀
thanks guys, I appreciate the discussion.
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I am using Sonarworks Xref20. Works great. Downloaded an individual calibration file from sonarworks based on the serial.
It's a good plan, and the Xref20 will be a good starter mic.. 🙂
I would contact Motu however about determining the input impedance of the line-in inputs. 😉
There may also be other service providers that can get you a microphone calibrated, I recently purchased a used ECM 8000 with an individual actual 0 dB calibration by these people: Mikrofonkalibrierung – HiFi-Selbstbau-Der Shop
You know....and this is a great big fwiw, and probably heresey on the forums here....
but after taking thousands upon thousands of measurements over the last half dozen years indoors and out...and tuning a bunch of speakers against those measurements..
well, i don't even bother to load the mic calibration files that came with the mics anymore.
Or calibrate soundcards anymore..
It's just too far below what matters imho...which is discerning what am i actually measuring....
but after taking thousands upon thousands of measurements over the last half dozen years indoors and out...and tuning a bunch of speakers against those measurements..
well, i don't even bother to load the mic calibration files that came with the mics anymore.
Or calibrate soundcards anymore..
It's just too far below what matters imho...which is discerning what am i actually measuring....
I'd like you to consider the fact that DIYers usually buy more than just one sound card because there is always something bugging them about their performance or heavens know what, so this route may prove to be not that much cheaper than a stand alone solution like Audiomatica Clio, and there was a conclusion from some members that getting Clio would not make sense, but of course multiple sound cards and multiple mics, surely would. Well, I am an owner of a first generation Clio card (designed 30 years ago) and a Clio mic that are still properly working. 🙂
I'm sure it will deviate in performance like with every other product aimed for precision. It's a question of "when" or how soon 😉
Thanks Scott. will contact them, I think I have seen somewhere a value of 1meg ohm though.
Thanks Scott. will contact them, I think I have seen somewhere a value of 1meg ohm though.
Thanks for the link sheeple. this is great for us in the EU and a good alternative to Cross Spectrum in the US...How is your ECM 8000 so far?
it sure sounds like it, a very good alternative to the more expensive calibrated mics from Isemcon and the likes
it sure sounds like it, a very good alternative to the more expensive calibrated mics from Isemcon and the likes
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Clio's reliability and ease of use is known, Troels also recommends and use it if I remember correctly. You can't ignore the versatility of the diy open system, there's much more you can do. Though I'm sure it's an uphill learning curve just to get started, but that is something I am willing to climb 😀
Yes, but the "M" version of the Earthworks line stands for Mylar (..as in the same plastic you'll find on the Sonarworks mic..)
Earthworks does more with tensioning, venting, and filtering their capsules - which is why you pay more: it gives you a class 1 response BEFORE a calibration file. I doubt that effort has much to do with drift out of calibration relative to other good quality plastic mic.s..
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