There is a lot of money to made at ASR. By dac manufacturers competing on SINAD numbers to get the good rankings.
Blind listening is a snapshot. It is like getting into a Trabant and starting it up. You put it in reverse it goes backwards. Put it in first and it goes forward. Turn the steering to the right it goes to the right and when the steering is turned to the left it goes the left. You then get out and do the same in a Maybach and it behaves in exactly the same way and on that basis you proclaim there is no difference.
Regarding controlled listening tests of dacs, it isn't worth the cost of doing it. Where people are spending money on listening tests is for patented immersive car audio systems. Follow the money.
...and you can bet they are going for the illusion of soundstage, for each individual passenger.
...and you can bet they are going for the illusion of soundstage, for each individual passenger.
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Have to say you are working very hard to miss the point. Not talking about digital cameras either.
As far as car analogies go that was probably the worst I've ever seen.
The "cues" you mention is not a signal propert by itself- it's the result of the well know properties of coneying a signal undistorted. It's really that simple - please don't mystify known science. There is no magic and there isn't anything to "measure" wrt to "cues". But I give you that most, if not all, measurements are single channel and there might be something in that - I think my suggestion would prove channel balance which could effect some positioning and distance of portrayed sound sources in the sound stage - as the stereo "system" tries to do the impossible given its architecture...
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As car analogies, conditional dac accelerates to 100 per 10 seconds, good measurements. But imagine this feeling and driving experience in cheepest car and let's suppose Audi or BMW or something else. Both are within the norms of good imagine "SINAD" measurements, but what feelings will you have when you drive it in usual life?
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Instead of endless speculating why don't you start with measuring the close-in noise of your dac?
Why are we still wasting so much space on these inevitable and boring arguments about measurements and subjective listening? It seems impossible to stick to the subject and actually evaluate real life DACs. The result is that threads like this are around 20% useful and 80% useless. That may be a bit optimistic.
Talk less and design/build more. Do not forget to share on DIYaudio.
Two certain electrical signals working together at the same time in two different channels.
And the signals may have errors in amplitude as well as in time, which also need to be assessed.
And the signals may have errors in amplitude as well as in time, which also need to be assessed.