That guy on Yahoo seems to want too much $$$. But I guess if you need it, you have no choice.
I would have to say no, you cant use ribbons from any other size. However, I could be wrong, maybe theres just more ribbons in the bigger sizes..... or maybe theyre wider.
I dont have experience with the larger models.
Shoot me your address and Ill mail you some ribbons. Only $250.00 each! Joking....
I dont want any money for them. The only thing I ask is if you happen to somehow manage to solder them together, you tell me how you did it!! 😉
I was actually thinking today to somehow make something. Something with needles to peirce the cables...... I Dont know. Ive exhausted my thoughts many months ago on this.....Tried many things... .
Hear from you soon.
-Chip
I would have to say no, you cant use ribbons from any other size. However, I could be wrong, maybe theres just more ribbons in the bigger sizes..... or maybe theyre wider.
I dont have experience with the larger models.
Shoot me your address and Ill mail you some ribbons. Only $250.00 each! Joking....
I dont want any money for them. The only thing I ask is if you happen to somehow manage to solder them together, you tell me how you did it!! 😉
I was actually thinking today to somehow make something. Something with needles to peirce the cables...... I Dont know. Ive exhausted my thoughts many months ago on this.....Tried many things... .
Hear from you soon.
-Chip
Forgot to mention that the driver boards go bad as well on the PDP. Thats the right and left boards on the PDP with the ribbons that go to the sides of the screen.
I had both of them go bad on me, but I had extra's from the Baltimore guy. (Thank God) Something on the board seems to cause a direct short which blows one of the fuses. You can smell it, but youll never find the problem. This has only happened once! (Hopefully just once) lol
Also, I got a response from NEC just now to call them for a service manual for the MP3 screen I got.
Im going to try and see if they hook me up with one (though they didnt last time).
If they give it to me, I will see if I can get a 4210 manual as well.
-Chip
I had both of them go bad on me, but I had extra's from the Baltimore guy. (Thank God) Something on the board seems to cause a direct short which blows one of the fuses. You can smell it, but youll never find the problem. This has only happened once! (Hopefully just once) lol
Also, I got a response from NEC just now to call them for a service manual for the MP3 screen I got.
Im going to try and see if they hook me up with one (though they didnt last time).
If they give it to me, I will see if I can get a 4210 manual as well.
-Chip
I hope, for NECs and future comsumers sake that they have figured out all of their chip problems by now. I feel like I bought into the lemon of plasma TVs, but I guess all I have to do is think of the people that paid thousands for their plasmas and have the same problem.. but anyway, I really appreciate you sending me some cables.. I really would like to pay you for them, or at least for the shipping.
my address is:
902 Jefferson Road
South Charleston, WV 25309
hopefully I can figure this out or find someone with better skills than I. Where there is a will there is a way, and there certainly is a will.
my address is:
902 Jefferson Road
South Charleston, WV 25309
hopefully I can figure this out or find someone with better skills than I. Where there is a will there is a way, and there certainly is a will.
I hear you. These plasmas were the first generations for NEC, so with anything new, they have issues.
I guess they must have had a major recall with them, hence the reason that guy in Baltimore has thousands of them.
I will ship out some of the ribbons probably by Monday as Im really busy this week. Dont worry about $$$, just let me know your findings. 🙂
Also, I called NEC back, and they wouldnt help. lol So I sent out about 10 emails today to a bunch of authorized NEC centers.
And guess what!!!??? 1 guy responded that he can get me the service manual for the MP3 though there is a charge of $105.00 which I dont mind paying.
Hes going to email me in a PDF file. Hopefully I can play with it next week, and Im hoping that the schematics can finally show me what the hell it is thats burning out under that epoxy cement on the Ribbons!
I will let you know what I find.
-Chip
P.S. There is anohter 4210 on ebay right whcih powers up!
P.S.S. Do you want me to address the envelope to anyone? YOur initials? or Goldmoth?
I guess they must have had a major recall with them, hence the reason that guy in Baltimore has thousands of them.
I will ship out some of the ribbons probably by Monday as Im really busy this week. Dont worry about $$$, just let me know your findings. 🙂
Also, I called NEC back, and they wouldnt help. lol So I sent out about 10 emails today to a bunch of authorized NEC centers.
And guess what!!!??? 1 guy responded that he can get me the service manual for the MP3 though there is a charge of $105.00 which I dont mind paying.
Hes going to email me in a PDF file. Hopefully I can play with it next week, and Im hoping that the schematics can finally show me what the hell it is thats burning out under that epoxy cement on the Ribbons!
I will let you know what I find.
-Chip
P.S. There is anohter 4210 on ebay right whcih powers up!
P.S.S. Do you want me to address the envelope to anyone? YOur initials? or Goldmoth?
Many thanks Chipdoo, You don't need to hurry to send those out at all, I just appreciate what youre doing.. If I get these ribbons working I think I will buy a service manual for a 50" NEc plasma off of ebay.. I'll let you know how it goes though.. I think I'm going to go with the 4210 on ebay. It's only @ $100 right now but I'm willing to pay quite a bit more.
Sorry I didn't put a name on my address.. just ship to Eric Comer
thanks a lot 🙂
Sorry I didn't put a name on my address.. just ship to Eric Comer
thanks a lot 🙂
No prob.....
Ill let you know when those ribbons go out, so you know when to expect them.
I got an NEC service manual for the 42MP3, but its usless! Im a little ticked off. I need to service the driver boards on MP3, becuase theres a problem.
BUT, the service manual DOES NOT cover the electronics thats attched to the PDP. I had found someone on the internet who got me the manual for $100, which was a waste.
I asked him where in the manual are the electronic boards on the PDP, and he said it doesnt cover it. He said that when the boards go bad on the back of the PDP, NEC doenst service them to the component level, they would just replce the entire PDP (which is why they dont sell these boards seperate). What a retarded policy.
I wasted $100 for nothing.
But I kind of lucked out. I had these boards in the past from another set but sold them on ebay about a year ago.
Ive went through all my feedback to see who it was an emiled about 10 people asking if they had purchased these boards.
Anyway, the guy that purchased them from me emailed me back and said he hasnt used them and doesnt need them so Im going to buy them back!
What a stroke of luck!! lollll..... Ill be happy when theyre in my hand before I get all happy, cuase finding those boards is like impossible.
-Chip
Ill let you know when those ribbons go out, so you know when to expect them.
I got an NEC service manual for the 42MP3, but its usless! Im a little ticked off. I need to service the driver boards on MP3, becuase theres a problem.
BUT, the service manual DOES NOT cover the electronics thats attched to the PDP. I had found someone on the internet who got me the manual for $100, which was a waste.
I asked him where in the manual are the electronic boards on the PDP, and he said it doesnt cover it. He said that when the boards go bad on the back of the PDP, NEC doenst service them to the component level, they would just replce the entire PDP (which is why they dont sell these boards seperate). What a retarded policy.
I wasted $100 for nothing.
But I kind of lucked out. I had these boards in the past from another set but sold them on ebay about a year ago.
Ive went through all my feedback to see who it was an emiled about 10 people asking if they had purchased these boards.
Anyway, the guy that purchased them from me emailed me back and said he hasnt used them and doesnt need them so Im going to buy them back!
What a stroke of luck!! lollll..... Ill be happy when theyre in my hand before I get all happy, cuase finding those boards is like impossible.
-Chip
Well I tried to send a pic of the bright pink sticker on the box that said "NON INVENTORY SCRAP "
Another sucker
Imagine another happy face under the mallet. That would be me. I too am another sucker that bought one of those factory reject 4203 diplays. This further supports a saying I often refer to by and thats " If it`s to good to be true than it probably is ". However I have not been able to test it yet, I need to find a display to stick it in. Maybe I`ll get lucky and have one of those 1 in 5 displays that work yeah right! I have to say that I`ve got a few good tips from you Chipdoo about the 4203 display. I have read this thread from top to bottom. If I find that my display has a burnt ribbon chip I would like to buy one of them from you. I looked at my display and I think I can replace one of those ribons some what effieciently. I am pretty skilled at soldering. And when I replace one I will let you know how I did it. It would have been nice to see the box the plasma came in befor I bid on the display so that I could have seen this sticker (see attached file)
Imagine another happy face under the mallet. That would be me. I too am another sucker that bought one of those factory reject 4203 diplays. This further supports a saying I often refer to by and thats " If it`s to good to be true than it probably is ". However I have not been able to test it yet, I need to find a display to stick it in. Maybe I`ll get lucky and have one of those 1 in 5 displays that work yeah right! I have to say that I`ve got a few good tips from you Chipdoo about the 4203 display. I have read this thread from top to bottom. If I find that my display has a burnt ribbon chip I would like to buy one of them from you. I looked at my display and I think I can replace one of those ribons some what effieciently. I am pretty skilled at soldering. And when I replace one I will let you know how I did it. It would have been nice to see the box the plasma came in befor I bid on the display so that I could have seen this sticker (see attached file)
It happens.....:-/
Theres no way of knowing what you will receive if you dont try, but I also go by the "If its too good to be true, then its probably scrap". It stinks that you didnt get a good one.
I had one shipped and I lucked out, it was 95% good beside a thin green line that comes and goes.
The other 4 my freind had hand picked them from the guy in Baltimore since he was driving back from the Carolina's. He picked up all units that had no stickers, but still only 1 was good (minor screen burn).
Ill be more than happy to send you some ribbons as well. Im basically cutting them off of one of the dispalys since I have 3 more here.
Let me know where you want them shipped.
Im not implying anything, but I would be more than impressed if you are able to solder all those wires together! 🙂
Are you sure you have a bad display??
If you do have a bad one, I wouldnt bother throwing the screen in unitl you fix that chip. It will work, though you have to leave the ribbon unplugged from the connector or else it will shut down becuase it senses a short.
-Chip
Theres no way of knowing what you will receive if you dont try, but I also go by the "If its too good to be true, then its probably scrap". It stinks that you didnt get a good one.
I had one shipped and I lucked out, it was 95% good beside a thin green line that comes and goes.
The other 4 my freind had hand picked them from the guy in Baltimore since he was driving back from the Carolina's. He picked up all units that had no stickers, but still only 1 was good (minor screen burn).
Ill be more than happy to send you some ribbons as well. Im basically cutting them off of one of the dispalys since I have 3 more here.
Let me know where you want them shipped.
Im not implying anything, but I would be more than impressed if you are able to solder all those wires together! 🙂
Are you sure you have a bad display??
If you do have a bad one, I wouldnt bother throwing the screen in unitl you fix that chip. It will work, though you have to leave the ribbon unplugged from the connector or else it will shut down becuase it senses a short.
-Chip
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Ok here it is. I figured out how to compress these these things. Check it out
Q Dawg said:
Ok here it is. I figured out how to compress these these things. Check it out
Nice sticker!! loll
And you would think the guy selling them would advise the buyers that they are scrap!!
Read post # 53, it will show you what to look for to see if you have the "burned chip" issue wihtout actually trying the PDP.
-Chip
And you would think the guy selling them would advise the buyers that they are scrap!!
Read post # 53, it will show you what to look for to see if you have the "burned chip" issue wihtout actually trying the PDP.
-Chip
Ribbons are on their way!
GoldMoth,
Expect 2 Ribbon cables within a couple of days. I threw them in an envelope and mailed them.
Im assuming that theyll get there ok. Let me know when you get them!
-Chip
GoldMoth,
Expect 2 Ribbon cables within a couple of days. I threw them in an envelope and mailed them.
Im assuming that theyll get there ok. Let me know when you get them!
-Chip
I got burnt
I found what you`re talking about Chipdoo, although it is more of a burn than a hole. At first I thought you meant the cables on the right side since the epoxy is visable. And also those cables have much wider conductors. Now I see what you mean about attaching a new ribbon cable, virtually impossible. I am going to need a really BIG magnifiying glass and a really small soldering iron. But I am still willing to try, some how. Do you have e-mail so I can send you my address?
I found what you`re talking about Chipdoo, although it is more of a burn than a hole. At first I thought you meant the cables on the right side since the epoxy is visable. And also those cables have much wider conductors. Now I see what you mean about attaching a new ribbon cable, virtually impossible. I am going to need a really BIG magnifiying glass and a really small soldering iron. But I am still willing to try, some how. Do you have e-mail so I can send you my address?
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Hello Q,
I would love to know what the hell it is thats under there that pops. And if there was a way to remove that crap on top......
Its amazing, something soo simple that ruins everything.
You can send your address to speednet@optonline.net. Im able to receive mail there, but I cant send out for some dumb reason.
I will verify wiht you as well once I receive your info.
If it was one of the side cables, it may be possible since the conductors are wider apart.
But these are really tight! The only thing I can think of is somehow perfectly overlapping the existing bad cable with a new one and somehow "crimp" them down together with a heavy weight or somehow fuse them together.
But I dont even know how to expose the conductors without ruining the cable.
Also, depending where in the screen this ribbon is, you can cut the power feed to this chip or with a razor knife and then you are able to plug the ribbon back in and use the two good chips. You will have a black section anyway, but it would be much smaller.
The current screen Im working on has a blown ribbon on the 1 ribbon cable. So the black thin line will be all the way to the left of the screen against the frame and it wont be too noticeable.
-Chip
Hello Q,
I would love to know what the hell it is thats under there that pops. And if there was a way to remove that crap on top......
Its amazing, something soo simple that ruins everything.
You can send your address to speednet@optonline.net. Im able to receive mail there, but I cant send out for some dumb reason.
I will verify wiht you as well once I receive your info.
If it was one of the side cables, it may be possible since the conductors are wider apart.
But these are really tight! The only thing I can think of is somehow perfectly overlapping the existing bad cable with a new one and somehow "crimp" them down together with a heavy weight or somehow fuse them together.
But I dont even know how to expose the conductors without ruining the cable.
Also, depending where in the screen this ribbon is, you can cut the power feed to this chip or with a razor knife and then you are able to plug the ribbon back in and use the two good chips. You will have a black section anyway, but it would be much smaller.
The current screen Im working on has a blown ribbon on the 1 ribbon cable. So the black thin line will be all the way to the left of the screen against the frame and it wont be too noticeable.
-Chip
This is what you will see.....
Thats the black section. Notice that the ribbon in this set has been unplugged. It would not work if it was still plugged in becuase it would shut itself down, so somone pulled the ribbon out of the connector.
As I said before, you can cut out the power to that chip and plug that back in and you have a much thinner black line, but this one is in a bad spot to have any black sections period.
Thats the black section. Notice that the ribbon in this set has been unplugged. It would not work if it was still plugged in becuase it would shut itself down, so somone pulled the ribbon out of the connector.
As I said before, you can cut out the power to that chip and plug that back in and you have a much thinner black line, but this one is in a bad spot to have any black sections period.
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I hate to post a reply, but I cant seem to edit my post.... :-/
Anyway, the first picture you see is the ribbon cable. You can see the black epoxy with 2 little holes in it thats blown. If you look at the ribbon, I cut the power and ground and any other conductors that are going to that chip. This way I can plug it in and have the remaining 2 chips work fine.
The second pic is the feed boards attachin all the ribbons around the screen.
3rd pic is the back of the PDP with the driver boards on and the middle board which I dont know what it is.
4th pic is the back portion of the set with the power supply, audio, video and a bunch of other stuff.
I hate to post a reply, but I cant seem to edit my post.... :-/
Anyway, the first picture you see is the ribbon cable. You can see the black epoxy with 2 little holes in it thats blown. If you look at the ribbon, I cut the power and ground and any other conductors that are going to that chip. This way I can plug it in and have the remaining 2 chips work fine.
The second pic is the feed boards attachin all the ribbons around the screen.
3rd pic is the back of the PDP with the driver boards on and the middle board which I dont know what it is.
4th pic is the back portion of the set with the power supply, audio, video and a bunch of other stuff.
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