Advanced Solid State Amp

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#23
For the input differential stage, Nelson Pass, John Curl, Ernest Borbley, and several other diyAudio experts recommended resistor loads instead of a current mirror based upon their ears and product experience. You can search to confirm. Resistor loads seem even more common for JFET differential input stages.


I've only built amps with JFET inputs and low voltage power rails. For JFET differential input stages, my ears think that cascodes add noise and limit the dynamics. My experience says that matching JFETs for cascodes is very difficult and can affect distortion in stages with limited local feedback. The real world is more complicated than Spice.
 
#24
Edl...Would be interested what the current mirrer does to your ears.
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Dear Mastertech,

I've played (and still playing...) much with this amplifier globaltopology.
Due the experimentations I've found that current mirror in the LTP worsen the sonic quality of the whole amp. It gives stiff sound and become disturbing in the long run. A simple resistor gives softer and listenable sounding.
Yes, I know, it reduces THD, but I develop amplifiers for my ears, not for my measeurment gears.

If you design going to be a PA desing, then the current mirror in the LTP wouldn't be troublesome.

Best regards

Postcript: Using the same globaltopology, my favourite realization: (let's see attachment)
The parts values and types aren't included, it develops on the concrete case. With a lot of experiment you can reach a super sounding amplifer design, with the attached schematic. Of course, it can (and should) be modified to tuning for maximal sound quality.
 

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#29
I thought i should my two cents. First off your Vbe multiplier needs to be adjustable so replace one of the fixed resistors wth a pot. second you need emitter resistors on the active current mirror. Third the last few schematics have shown resistive loading but have a major problem, they only loaded one of the collectors and not both. So the Vce will be different, damn body effect. BTW your circuit is very similar to my headphone amp 🙂
 
#31
Looking good!

Agree on resistor collector load for the LTP.

Agree on resistor drive for the LTP.

More attention to crossover at the output stage; see Self's Type II EF.

Now begins the difficult task of dimensioning and component choice........

Eva, Back to the Future?? :clown:

Cheers,

Hugh
 
#32
Hi,
get rid of the current mirror on the LTP load.
Add Re degeneration to the LTP and Vas.
Try to reduce or eliminate the Miller compensation around the VAS and augment or replace with VAS to LTP base or output to Vas base feedback over two stages plus some comp on LTP load.
Adjustable Vbe multiplier and thermal coupling to output heatsink.
Ensure your LTP load actually balances the current in both legs of the LTP. A trimmer // to the LTP load is better than adjustable Re in the LTP emitters. Alternatively an adjustable current source for the VAS to balance the LTP currents.
 
#33
I wonder if the original poster has noted that it is not possible to follow all the advice offered as some suggestions are 180 deg appart from other suggestions.

In other words, some of the advice is 180 deg "out of phase"/ Oh my!😀

Of course, he could just remove every element that someone has suggested be removed. That would be a quite a "clean" design -- nearly a blank sheet of paper.

Or how about the opposite. Make every suggested addition -- now that would be entertaining!:bigeyes:

More seriously: A-there is more than one way to build a good or even a really good amplifier. B- There is no one perfect way to build one. C- Each of us has our favorite way of getting done. D- Ultimately you have to make you own choice build it and see what the results are.
 
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Of course, he could just remove every element that someone has suggested be removed. That would be a quite a "clean" design -- nearly a blank sheet of paper.
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😀 (been laughing for a while)


Maybe the 'advanced' stuff has something to do with the date stated in the schematic? It clearly comes from the future. 😉
 
#37
come on guys keep the suggestions and advice coming
cause so far you've failed to note that i have declassified
this little beauty for you, some of you have commented on
the conventional architecture, guys are you kidding me
are you saying that this most conventional topology
cant make top-performance amps, well ,then please
tell me what is wrong with it if you dont want to suggest
any new improvements, thank you all for your kind suggestions

cheers
 
#39
Hi, AKSA,

Thanks for the explenation😀 I'm clear about the function of the diode (and the cap, I forgot to mentioned that), but I'm not clear about the function of 100R. Is it to slow down during the charges/discharges of the capacitor?
and serves to decouple the supply, with a cap, from the main supply rail.
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If one is using only the diode and capacitor, without 100R, what will happen?
 
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