The polarity is reversed on one side of the PSU compared to the other. I checked it with a DMM before connecting the filter boards so I'm sure I've got the polarity correct.
Boards connected to either side of the PSU (mis)behave in the same way too.
Boards connected to either side of the PSU (mis)behave in the same way too.
Hi,
remove the opamps and check the voltage on the supply pins. and what happens after those few seconds.
Wear glasses in case that electrolytic blows while you're measuring.
remove the opamps and check the voltage on the supply pins. and what happens after those few seconds.
Wear glasses in case that electrolytic blows while you're measuring.
OK, I'll have a go. I'll have to de-solder one but I've got spares so that's fine.
Thanks again 🙂
Thanks again 🙂
Stop.
I didn't realise you have no DIL sockets.
Measure the voltages on the empty DIL positions.
I didn't realise you have no DIL sockets.
Measure the voltages on the empty DIL positions.
Hi quickshift
You have to connect the +Vout of the positive supply to V+ on the filterboard.
The -Vout of the negative supply to the V- of the filterboard.
Connect the grounds of the positive and negative supply together and to the star earth point.
The markings on the PSU's are correct, you don't have to cross the wires.
kees.
You have to connect the +Vout of the positive supply to V+ on the filterboard.
The -Vout of the negative supply to the V- of the filterboard.
Connect the grounds of the positive and negative supply together and to the star earth point.
The markings on the PSU's are correct, you don't have to cross the wires.
kees.
The way i see it you have two filterboards and one PSU.
You have connected the positive supply to one filterboard and the negative supply to the other.
Both filterboards need a positive and negative supply!!
kees.
You have connected the positive supply to one filterboard and the negative supply to the other.
Both filterboards need a positive and negative supply!!
kees.
Hi,
I have had another look at the filter PCB.
Both holes adjacent to V+ and adjacent to V- are for supply.
the third hole in each group is the 0volt/common.
0v/common is connected to all the cold connections in each audio signal pair (usually the one on the right, or for HP & LP the one at the bottom).
PSU V+ to Filter V+
PSU V- to Filter V-
PSU+ 0V to Filter+ 0V
PSU- 0V to Filter- 0V
Filter 0v to central ground
Central ground to 100r(5W) to safety earth
Mains cable earth wire to safety earth
optional: bypass 100r with inverse parallel power diodes.
Choose how to connect RCAs barrels:
RCAs to central ground (only one screen end connected),
or
RCAs to each other and one to central ground (only one screen end connected),
or
RCAs to respective cold inputs/outputs (both screen ends connected), this last is likely to hum,
whichever is quieter.
I have had another look at the filter PCB.
Both holes adjacent to V+ and adjacent to V- are for supply.
the third hole in each group is the 0volt/common.
0v/common is connected to all the cold connections in each audio signal pair (usually the one on the right, or for HP & LP the one at the bottom).
PSU V+ to Filter V+
PSU V- to Filter V-
PSU+ 0V to Filter+ 0V
PSU- 0V to Filter- 0V
Filter 0v to central ground
Central ground to 100r(5W) to safety earth
Mains cable earth wire to safety earth
optional: bypass 100r with inverse parallel power diodes.
Choose how to connect RCAs barrels:
RCAs to central ground (only one screen end connected),
or
RCAs to each other and one to central ground (only one screen end connected),
or
RCAs to respective cold inputs/outputs (both screen ends connected), this last is likely to hum,
whichever is quieter.
Note that there are three pads in a triangle for power connections. The two pads closest to the V+ and V- labels are joined. The third pad in each cluster is ground.
Bring the positive lead from the Positive regulator to the V+ connection and the negative lead of the Negative Regulator to the V- connection. You can use the extra hole on the first AF4 board to provide a power connection to the other, or run its leads separately. Run a wire from each PSU ground and one of the AF4 grounds (on each board) to your star ground.
You could run the ground connections on your PSU to the AF4 board and daisy chain them, but you are more likely to run into ground loop problems that way.
Bring the positive lead from the Positive regulator to the V+ connection and the negative lead of the Negative Regulator to the V- connection. You can use the extra hole on the first AF4 board to provide a power connection to the other, or run its leads separately. Run a wire from each PSU ground and one of the AF4 grounds (on each board) to your star ground.
You could run the ground connections on your PSU to the AF4 board and daisy chain them, but you are more likely to run into ground loop problems that way.
Motion,
Sorry, I thought I had replied earlier but I guess I forgot to hit the "submit reply" button.
At a minimum, use a bridge, caps and LM7815 and LM7915 regulators. I think that the LM317 and LM319 will preform better, but require that you purchase four more resistors compared to the 7815/7915 solution. 😉 The LM7815 or LM317 circuits are simple enough to build on prototype board if you don't find any ready made boards (Rod Elliot and Peranders have some regulator boards for sale IIRC)
Bob
Sorry, I thought I had replied earlier but I guess I forgot to hit the "submit reply" button.
At a minimum, use a bridge, caps and LM7815 and LM7915 regulators. I think that the LM317 and LM319 will preform better, but require that you purchase four more resistors compared to the 7815/7915 solution. 😉 The LM7815 or LM317 circuits are simple enough to build on prototype board if you don't find any ready made boards (Rod Elliot and Peranders have some regulator boards for sale IIRC)
Bob
AndrewT, kro5998 and BobEllis, thank you all very much 🙂
I understand exactly how to finish this now, your guidance is very much appreciated.
I understand exactly how to finish this now, your guidance is very much appreciated.
I really must be some kind of muppet
😀
I've wired everything up but now I get 20.4V DC at all the RCAs...
+ve PSU to +ve AF4
-ve PSU to -ve AF4
+0v and -0v to AF4 - I'll connect the PSU 0vs direct to star tomorrow.
AF4 ground to star ground
+ I/O to RCA centers (checked carefully and used the non grounded pads and followed advice)
RCA outers individually to star ground
I got the -15v,0v,0v +15v points using a DMM - Looking at the PSU board with the DC outputs facing me, I've got the following connections...
(-ve block) (+ve block)
-15v and 0v 0v and +15v
If I measure the voltage between -0v and +0v I get -6.67v
😕 but I get -15v and +15v across each individual block as I'd expect.
I'm going to leave this alone until tomorrow - at this rate something will explode or catch fire. 😱

I've wired everything up but now I get 20.4V DC at all the RCAs...
+ve PSU to +ve AF4
-ve PSU to -ve AF4
+0v and -0v to AF4 - I'll connect the PSU 0vs direct to star tomorrow.
AF4 ground to star ground
+ I/O to RCA centers (checked carefully and used the non grounded pads and followed advice)
RCA outers individually to star ground
I got the -15v,0v,0v +15v points using a DMM - Looking at the PSU board with the DC outputs facing me, I've got the following connections...
(-ve block) (+ve block)
-15v and 0v 0v and +15v
If I measure the voltage between -0v and +0v I get -6.67v

I'm going to leave this alone until tomorrow - at this rate something will explode or catch fire. 😱
OK, all sorted, it works now 🙂
I'm stupid.
I have dual secondaries and connected a positive and negative board to each. I swapped them about so the positives were on one secondary and the negatives on another and bingo - it all works perfectly.
Thanks again for all the help 🙂
I'm stupid.
I have dual secondaries and connected a positive and negative board to each. I swapped them about so the positives were on one secondary and the negatives on another and bingo - it all works perfectly.
Thanks again for all the help 🙂
Ok, I'd like to avoid making my own PS board from a proto-board so this is a call out to anyone who might have an extra PS board or kit! I only have 4 active filter boards so I only need one DIY PSU 2.2 board or kit! I would very much prefer the kit, but I'd also be happy with a board. Thanks very much!
m0tion,
How about Rod Elliot's P05A?
http://sound.westhost.com/project05a.htm
Looks suitable to me, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable can comment on this? Apologies in advance if I'm totally mistaken.
Andrew.
How about Rod Elliot's P05A?
http://sound.westhost.com/project05a.htm
Looks suitable to me, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable can comment on this? Apologies in advance if I'm totally mistaken.
Andrew.
That PSU will be fine. You may get a bit better sound out of the PSU 2.2 but this would be a decent start.
arjscott/Bob:
Indeed, I found that project as well. The only downside to that is I've ordered boards from Rod before and while his designs seem really excellent and he's a really sharp guy, the PCB quality is REALLY poor. I spent about a week troubleshooting a whisker, left by the etching process, that shorted two traces together. Not cool. This PS board is a lot simpler than the board I had before so it would be easier to visually inspect, but I REALLY like the quality of Bob/Jens boards so the PSU 2.2 would be preferable. Also, as much as I like searching the Digikey site, if I could find a kit available that would be even better. It just simplifies the whole process for me, but you're right, that is an alternative solution.
Indeed, I found that project as well. The only downside to that is I've ordered boards from Rod before and while his designs seem really excellent and he's a really sharp guy, the PCB quality is REALLY poor. I spent about a week troubleshooting a whisker, left by the etching process, that shorted two traces together. Not cool. This PS board is a lot simpler than the board I had before so it would be easier to visually inspect, but I REALLY like the quality of Bob/Jens boards so the PSU 2.2 would be preferable. Also, as much as I like searching the Digikey site, if I could find a kit available that would be even better. It just simplifies the whole process for me, but you're right, that is an alternative solution.
Another option is the "Ultimate Mini Regulator" discussed here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63844
They seem to be pretty good, and I'll be running my crossovers and CD output stages off these. They charge six bucks per dual regulator PCB, and the quality of the boards is excellent. BOM and more info is here: http://circulator.bravehost.com/minireg.htm. At 82x59 mm, they fit nicely at the end of the crossovers, too.
They seem to be pretty good, and I'll be running my crossovers and CD output stages off these. They charge six bucks per dual regulator PCB, and the quality of the boards is excellent. BOM and more info is here: http://circulator.bravehost.com/minireg.htm. At 82x59 mm, they fit nicely at the end of the crossovers, too.
novec:
Looks good as well, but they appear to be all sold out and "coffin" states that there will not be another run 🙁
Looks good as well, but they appear to be all sold out and "coffin" states that there will not be another run 🙁
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