The wires also have their own resonances.This remind me I have noticed the wires I use have a stiffness that probably modify the magnet resonance during test... Some portion of soft or reduce section wires are required to let the magnet as free as possible and more important to avoid any strength from the wires on the magnet/voice coil position.
Those 19mm exciters have small magnets. I can't find the weight of a DAEX19CT to compare but the force factor of the XT19 is higher which is good for the efficiency. Even if better than the 19CT is about 40% less than a 25mm...
By curiosity, I just run very quick simulations with PETTaLLS without any fine tuning to compare a DAEX19CT on a 30x50cm light EPS panel to a DAEX25VT on a 3mm plywood of the same dimensions. Both with exciters at 0.37/0.37, 1W, free magnet, free edges (FFFF). I did that to have an idea of the resulting efficiency (light panel with a low BL exciter, heavier panel with a higher BL)
The simulation shows the global efficiency are about the same.
The output I didn't expect is the roll off of the 19CT has a more important slope... what I can't explain. May be because of the higher stiffness or the lower magnet mass of the 19mm model
This reminds me I observed similar behavior while testing panels with a 13CT at home. I was expected with them a better HF extension than with a 25mm, which was true by rejecting higher in frequency the effect of the voice coil diameter but I was more surprised by the effect on the bass cut off.
Christian
PS: by the way, I would like to encourage all the DML builders to use such a tool. I think it is reaching a very good level even if all the possible configurations, exciters or materials are not available. There are 2 possibilities : its output are confirmed by the experience so we gain in confidence in its use, it is not confirmed so some aspect is maybe not covered or not with an appropriate model. In any case it is part of the learning experience. Thanks again to Dave (@EarthTonesElectronics) for the free availability of PETTaLS (follow the links to download and install) with its clear interface.
Dark blue : DAEX25VT on 3mm plywood, light blue : DAEX19CT on 10mm light EPS
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Especially at low frequencies, they will buzz and shake in combination with the added stiffness and weight.
This is another reason I do not use my exciters much below 100hz .
Mounting the exciters on to a spine will cure this problem though.
Did you also do a test of the DAEX25VT on the 10mm light eps, for comparison?
Steve.
Hello Eucy.Steve - Have you considered it may be your Behringer setup - are you able to check against REW??
Eucy
What part of my frequency response plots do you think are a fault?
Steve.
Hi Steve... I'm not saying they're at fault. You are questioning why you're getting strong results down to 40 Hz. while no one else is able to do that, particularly with small panels. You're the only one measuring with a Behringer...ipso facto...it would seem important to verify the results by another method... REW being the most easily available.Hello Eucy.
What part of my frequency response plots do you think are a fault?
Steve.
Eucy
Hello Eucy.
I have made and posted recordings and videos of my panels for people to listen to for themselves and hear the full frequency range.
The strong low frequencies are even stronger than on the videos and recordings as the microphones in my phone roll off above 50hz.
This is the confidence I have in my panels performance and sound.
I am not questioning why I am getting strong frequencies down to 40hz, I am questioning how I am getting strong frequencies down to 40hz.
I have measured other speakers using my behringer including my transmission line speakers. with no problems.
And did use it for room correction for a while.
The behringers are hooked up permanently in my system 100%of the time for the last at least 20 years with only one mains capacitor replacement.
But as I have said before, I would not use my panels down to 40hz or below , I use my transmission line speakers or reflex speakers as they give me more power at these frequencies, without all the problems of the panels at these frequencies.
Steve.
I have made and posted recordings and videos of my panels for people to listen to for themselves and hear the full frequency range.
The strong low frequencies are even stronger than on the videos and recordings as the microphones in my phone roll off above 50hz.
This is the confidence I have in my panels performance and sound.
I am not questioning why I am getting strong frequencies down to 40hz, I am questioning how I am getting strong frequencies down to 40hz.
I have measured other speakers using my behringer including my transmission line speakers. with no problems.
And did use it for room correction for a while.
The behringers are hooked up permanently in my system 100%of the time for the last at least 20 years with only one mains capacitor replacement.
But as I have said before, I would not use my panels down to 40hz or below , I use my transmission line speakers or reflex speakers as they give me more power at these frequencies, without all the problems of the panels at these frequencies.
Steve.
Hello Eric.Bold of you to post.
Not really, I just don't care anymore 🤷
I have posted different recordings of my various panels to Christian Using voice from the microphone and music from the computer at the same time to see how they could be used for small PA work .
He probably thinks I am a right nutcase 🤪
My mouth was too close to the behringer microphone which had some foam wrapped around as a wind prevention.
So it was heavily distorted.
Steve.
Eucy,you're getting strong results down to 40 Hz. while no one else is able to do that,
This is pretty close to 40 Hz I would say. With REW.
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Eric
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