A Speaker that Kicks Butt in Large Spaces

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#662
Since you are into redesigning the Karlson design, how about a subwoofer-style Karlson where the baffle that the speaker is mounted on is constructed in a push-pull configuration. Maybe the drivers are not directly opposing, but instead mounted on a V-baffle. This may allow for multiple drivers being mounted in a smaller Karson box.

Retsel
 
#663
Retsel said:
Since you are into redesigning the Karlson design, how about a subwoofer-style Karlson where the baffle that the speaker is mounted on is constructed in a push-pull configuration. Maybe the drivers are not directly opposing, but instead mounted on a V-baffle. This may allow for multiple drivers being mounted in a smaller Karson box.

Retsel
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I did that already which was sort of the inspiration for this latest box. More info here
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/subwoofers/264737-pp-slot-loaded-sub-alpine-swr-12d2.html

You can imagine a K aperture covering the two drivers.
 
#664
WOW Nice development! This is very significant.
- Increased LF bandwidth
- similar k-dispersion
- similar efficiency,
- similar cone control / loading
*All in a smaller footprint yeah?

Seems a new class of PA boxen and LF enclosures started here.

Only question is how much the +/-5dB W portion of the response affects instruments and voices in that range... I guess it will fall in freq as the design scales larger and having some dips in the 180hz-280hz range on PA or home theater version could be advantageous (in that scooping that region can help both with apparent mud and reduce common room modes that increase said mud).
 
#665
the original Karlson from 1951 and even large klam-"projector" type can sound subjectively better than direct radiator. Metro's T15 is squat and rather cubical with a nice published response. I'm guessing Metro's PHL 15" woofer was close in parameters to say a B&C TBX100

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#668
Alright! Great work xrk971! 😀

I'm thinking this might be most useful for a mini subwoofer, given that it has retained the excursion control of the larger K15. How about try it with that little Tangband 5" sub?

The wrap around vent is IMHO a better idea than the T15 port. When several of us were experimenting with ways to scale down the K several years ago, it became apparent that this sort of vent configuration minimizes the peakiness and coloration from the front chamber.

Thanks to IG81, Moray, and many others who I am forgetting for early research work into this issue.
 
#669
Thanks for all the great feedback and kind words guys. 🙂
This was one of those moments of inspiration where I ran a sim and it was past midnight. It was just too good of a result that was almost unbelievable that I had to make it. Luckily I had one sheet of FC left and 2 hours later I had the measurement to confirm it works.
The 5in Tang Band will be next. I think some of you may also jump on this and try it for yourself with a favorite driver.

I agree it resembles the T15 a bit but the vent layout is very different and closer to GregB's K'nator. I am glad it is supposed to be better with less peakyness.
 
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#670
Ken Lehman (KenL) experimented with conventional vent but a tapered Nautilus style "stub" at the very top of the front chamber to smooth his K-type. I added a simple extra chamber to a little coupler which had two 4.5" x 4.5" vents and there was some smoothing.

besides akabak, what software can one use to get the chamber sizes, etc? - which if any version of WinISD works properly?

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#671
maybe the cheap and cheerful MCM 55-1465 12 inch dvc woofer could be used in a new design -? - here's Marshall Leach's TS measurements - mine of one purchased a year ago are close - (its really not too shabby in a Karlson K12 with vents sealed with tape)


Voice Coil Resistance RE = 6.47 ohms per coil
Resonance Frequency fS = 28.1 Hz
Total Quality Factor QTS = 0.326
Electrical Quality Factor QES = 0.374
Mechanical Quality Factor QMS = 2.52
Volume Compliance VAS = 4.80 cubic feet


A Three-Way Satellite Loudspeaker System
 
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#672
XRK, can do you do some dims and sims for the XKI using a pair of vifas. I've got a CNC guy cutting some glass and graphite skinned honeycomb and foam core for me, in trade for a couple of vifa driver and a small TPA3116 amp. If this reaches lower and still is low distortion, it might be a better design.
 
#673
Freddi,
It is technically a quasi 6th order bandpass - a regular 6th order bandpass like on WinISD or one of the popular online calculators has two chambers each with a vent to the outside. As far as I can tell, akabak is the only way. I will keep looking but if anyone else knows please show us. Maybe a way to fake it with HR?
 
#674
I believe the BassBox program Partsexpress sells will do 6th order series bandpass, among other configurations. Starts at $69 instead of free... Might be a good option for those that don't want to devote the time to learning akabak, like me...

There is one online calculator that will do series BP6, but I don't recall the url offhand. I think it was some German dude?
 
#675
DougAz said:
XRK, can do you do some dims and sims for the XKI using a pair of vifas. I've got a CNC guy cutting some glass and graphite skinned honeycomb and foam core for me, in trade for a couple of vifa driver and a small TPA3116 amp. If this reaches lower and still is low distortion, it might be a better design.
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Vifa TC9FD has too high of a Qts and too large of a Vas to take advantage of this alignment - I will be very peaky in response. Need Qts of about 0.5 or less, preferably around 0.3 to 0.35 and low Vas to keep it compact.
 
#679
Jessman Rocks = true !! - perfectly mated lock-mitre corner joints

a Transylvania "The Tube" would be appropriate to try on top of the new K10 - here's one of my old K10 loaded with an Eminence Delta10A and topped with a lovely tube made by IG81 - I've lost a port piece to the other cabinet and need to make a new one to have a matched pair.

other than the X15 with internal K-tube, this is the standard way to do a K other than coax or fullrange

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Delta10A has a rise which needs to be dealt with in the lowpass section - but its in the ballpark of what a small K
likes to get good performance

when running a Delta10A in free air with pink noise, that peak and whatever else sounds horrendous in coloration. I'd like
to try a B&C but not sure if the bolt circle and cutouts are compatible.

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