It seems to be a training problem.
The first plane that crashed the pilots didnt know you could over ride the MCAS system.
The second one that crashed they found it but too late.
The first plane that crashed the pilots didnt know you could over ride the MCAS system.
The second one that crashed they found it but too late.
When the first plane crashed the pilots didn't know MCAS existed or what it does.
That's why Boeing told the FAA that MCAS was in common use so they don't have to tell anyone about it specifically.
That's why Boeing told the FAA that MCAS was in common use so they don't have to tell anyone about it specifically.
The NASA guy I spoke to refered to blaming pilots as if similar to racist remarks. I asked him his exact job. When they boiled down the minimum number of instruments these were arranged to get quickest reactions. I think he said 300% better reaction times by doing this. He was very critical of everything that involved risk. It all could be improved. He was most emphatic that humans were mostly not to blame yet mostly get the blame. Returning to the 300%. He stated that only 30% of gauges might be read on a routine basis. Make sure the 30% are the important ones. The 70 % can be checked as and when required. He then said about an on fire engine where the pilot shut down the wrong engine. He the NASA guy was sure the pilot thought he was shutting down the burning one. It was never accepted. He was adamant that the pilot wasn't to blame. He did say why.
That plane where the wrong engine was shut down was if I remember had crossed fire alarm wires and it crashed and burned in a freeway so it was not pilot error.
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Yes that was the one.
I originally thought it was electrical.
It looks more like another change that caused the mistake because the crew did not know about it.
I originally thought it was electrical.
It looks more like another change that caused the mistake because the crew did not know about it.
You can argue that the FAA was created to be the eyes and ears of society to make sure that the planes we fly on are safe. In that context airlines are legitimate in looking at the FAA and to trust what they say. You don't want the airlines with lots of commercial interests to second-guess the FAA because it can go both ways!
Jan
Value Jet flight 592 took off out of Miami and nose dived at full power into the Everglades a few minutes after take off in 1996. Ironically the huge air and sea show was taking place on Fort Lauderdale beach at the same time. I was at the show a few years prior to this, where the highlights featured a Boeing test pilot flying a 747 inverted at low altitude over the edge of the Atlantic Ocean.
Human STUPIDITY was the cause, since an idiot threw a bunch of un packaged oxygen generators in a cardboard box into the cargo hold. These are the devices that make oxygen when the cabin pressure fails, which is an exothermic reaction. The generators were not secured to prevent accidental operation, so on take off one activated....heat + oxygen + flammable material built a fire so intense that all of the control systems including the backup cable system were disabled. The plane slammed into a remote swampy area about 40 miles west of my house at such a speed that less than half of the plane and passengers were ever recovered.
ValuJet Flight 592 - Wikipedia
Jan, yes there’s no arguing against the FAA’s evolution over the early several decades of the commercial aviation industry to serve the public in exactly that role - most significantly established as a separate agency “independent” from both the manufacturing and flying industries after a horrible mid-air collision over the Grand Canyon in June 1956 with a loss of 128 lives. No doubt their regulations caused both industries some frustrations during the next half century or so, however I’m of the opinion that at some point the agency’s more recent history they abrogated their duty by relinquishing some of it to the manufacture(s) - and let’s admit that as Boeing is the single largest exporter of commercial aircraft in the US, that effects the flying public worldwide. That’s a far too cozy relationship that I think qualifies as “an impeachable offence”
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On the second 737 Max crash it has been said that the pilots had the MCAS turned off , but one of the pilots turned it back on and by then they where too close to the ground as it immediately put the nose down again.
Ooops...
Boeing 737 Max woes: FAA checking potentially "catastrophic" issue with 737 Max wiring - CBS News
Meanwhile Boeing is now recommending proper (expensive) simulator training instead of fiddling on an ipad for an hour.
Boeing 737 Max woes: FAA checking potentially "catastrophic" issue with 737 Max wiring - CBS News
Meanwhile Boeing is now recommending proper (expensive) simulator training instead of fiddling on an ipad for an hour.
The fact that it seems to have disintegrated at 8000ft is worrying. I would not bet against that having been accidentally shot down. I don't want to countenance it being deliberate...
Another 737 bug (this time NG) was reported today. Blackout Bug: Boeing 737 cockpit screens go blank if pilots land on specific runways • The Register
I take my hats off to the pilots who had to deal with this when it happened. I really would not have the right stuff to stay calm when all 5 screens went black on approach.
Another 737 bug (this time NG) was reported today. Blackout Bug: Boeing 737 cockpit screens go blank if pilots land on specific runways • The Register
I take my hats off to the pilots who had to deal with this when it happened. I really would not have the right stuff to stay calm when all 5 screens went black on approach.
I just landed after a flight with a 737 max, next up is a Dash 8 of some sort.
Something about those Dash 8's that's just very comforting, must be all the noise and turbulence.
Something about those Dash 8's that's just very comforting, must be all the noise and turbulence.
news reports (Washington Post, CNN) out less than an hour ago suggest that the Ukraine 737 landing in Teheran may have been shot down by a Tor anti-aircraft missile. Losing communications at 8,000 feet is not in the playbook.
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