Compared to small dome tweeter for typical multiway speaker shoe box, a big fullrange driver (like 6") has higher DI from mids and up. This changes how room affects sound, also reduces diffraction at baffle edge on the highs. These both help to make this kind of clear magical stereo sound perception. They to help maintain original sound phase relationship better helping auditory system to pay attention to direct sound, which makes the strong phantom center image. Not having a crossover helps as well, but it's not the only thing different to a typical multiway speaker. It's very much possible to make very good multiway speaker in this regard, just pay attention to directivity and edge diffraction and listening axis phase. In this sense, greatest advantage of fullrange driver speaker is simplicity and cost.
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Hahaha 😝 everyone is still Arguing!
I wish that I had started this thread, because I could take the credit for so many arguments!!! Hahahah😂
Everyone’s ears and perceptions and Predudices are different… some more damaged than others!”!
There are Outstanding examples of all types of speakers…
if you really are Diyers, spend your time building the best speaker that you can, no matter the style!!!, Hahahaha🤩
I wish that I had started this thread, because I could take the credit for so many arguments!!! Hahahah😂
Everyone’s ears and perceptions and Predudices are different… some more damaged than others!”!
There are Outstanding examples of all types of speakers…
if you really are Diyers, spend your time building the best speaker that you can, no matter the style!!!, Hahahaha🤩
Yep, of course 🙂 What ever meets the spec is the correct way to do. A fullrange driver speaker would suffice to a lot of "hifi" situations in domestic environment, only when SPL needs to get high it's no longer an option.
Yeah, the way the pioneers chose piston dia. the females only needed a ~ 2.16" - 3" (~ 2.57" mean) depending on vocals 250 - 8 kHz or 16 kHz (breath) with the males' much lower 100 Hz ~ 3.4" - 4.8" (~ 4" mean) or the mean of both = ~3.2" dia., so falls in line with a 3.5 - 4" frame depending on design.
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For female vocals, a full range of 1.25” may be sufficient.
1.25" Full-Range : Dayton Audio CE32A-4 - Both Sides Now / Jeanette Lindström (recorded at 2.5 meter away)
1.25" Full-Range : Dayton Audio CE32A-4 - Both Sides Now / Jeanette Lindström (recorded at 2.5 meter away)
Is it less riddled with meaningless / vague subjective terms than the first 40 seconds? Note that I'm not arguing that FiR can be either useful or effective (but not a panacea) -just commenting that, if that video continues in the same manner, it's rubbish.
Yeah -and it probably didn't help that a lot of early stereo recordings were pretty ropey, especially studio types where you often got individual instruments concentrated in one channel (for e.g.), or you had madcap panpots (Enoch Light, anybody?) in which case the mono usually beat that sort of artifical mixing hands down for a more 'natural' / 'realistic' presentation.
For a cappella songs, a 1.25" speaker can deliver a sufficient performance. However, for typical vocal tracks that include both low and high frequencies, it would be inadequate.
In particular, the ability to reproduce low frequencies is crucial, as it can completely change the impression of a song. For example, "Better Be Home Soon" by Andrea Zonn contains frequencies as low as 30Hz, making it difficult to play properly with a single full-range speaker.
Air-Recording
1.5"(E-Sound DXYD40N-22P-4A)
4"(MarkAudio MAOP7)
8"(MarkAudio MA200-M)
In particular, the ability to reproduce low frequencies is crucial, as it can completely change the impression of a song. For example, "Better Be Home Soon" by Andrea Zonn contains frequencies as low as 30Hz, making it difficult to play properly with a single full-range speaker.
Air-Recording
1.5"(E-Sound DXYD40N-22P-4A)
4"(MarkAudio MAOP7)
8"(MarkAudio MA200-M)
What is the point of these silly "Air-Recordings"? 'Listen to an obscure recording on my speaker, recorded in my living room, with my iphone, and posted on Youtube, then played back on your computer or iphone over your amp, and your speakers, in your living room.' -?
Hi Arthur Jackson,
What do you trust besides the sounds you have actually listened?
- Articles in audio magazines?
- Promotional articles from audio manufacturers?
- Blogs or websites of people you don’t even know?
My audio friends say, "Air-Recording is more reliable than just words or written reviews."
If you have posted it on YouTube I would like to listen and give my feedback.
Don't forget to state your playback equipment, recording equipment, and recording conditions.
Incidentally, some audiophiles say that the iPhone's internal microphone sounds better than an external condenser microphone.
I've used polypropylene duel coned drivers (for cars) in a speaker, I had to use a contour network to reduce the hump in the mid-range to get rid of the "hard" quality of the sound, I latter changed to some paper coned drivers, eliminating the need for the contour network, and improving the sound all round. I find polypropylene drivers such the life out of music.@Vix
I had a great sonic result with a cfa amp and a fullrange driver with polyprop cone!
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Works very well and the Pioneer 13cm fullrange unit in the wooden "bestonesound" box does not need any extra eq for good sound.
Impossible with a voltage driven amp.
I see the advantages of full range drivers as a seamless response, with small voice coil Gap, low inductance, high sensitivity, phase coherence and all the sound coming from one point. After making a WAW, I was disappointed by the soft bass, I realized that was because of the inductor on the bass driver - I will make a four channel amp to omit that, I never realized how much damage inductance does to the sound before.
"Riddled Twaddle" sounds like a folk singer.
A single fullrange speaker shift phases along the frequency range too.
Let's recall what are the main sources of phase shifts:
-Electric: on crossovers (active or passive)
-Geometric: relative position
-Acoustic: phase will be shifted by the speaker cone as frequency changes.
On your ears: the sum of all the 3 above.
It's just a matter of design the system to achive the correct result for your ears.
Chat GPT at this moment: more like a cute parrot.
I do like the air recordings, even when knowing that a lot of parameters that define the sound are unknown to me. If the speaker still sounds fine after all those steps en not in the least after the compression technique that utuub uses, then it is a sign that the speaker is probably decent in reproducing music.
In respect to full range drivers and phase: the advantage a full range driver has, has become obsolete because nowadays we have DSP and FIR filters that can correct any phase misbehaviour of multiway speakers and crossovers. Point source is still an advantage of fullrangers, but it is possible to build multiway speakers as point sources nowadays. The most obvious advantages of fullrange drivers left are: relatively cheap, easy to implement with no crossovers. But you can make it complicated if you wish. I wonder what happens when you digitally correct a full range driver with FIR, for instance.... could be even more heaven 😛
In respect to full range drivers and phase: the advantage a full range driver has, has become obsolete because nowadays we have DSP and FIR filters that can correct any phase misbehaviour of multiway speakers and crossovers. Point source is still an advantage of fullrangers, but it is possible to build multiway speakers as point sources nowadays. The most obvious advantages of fullrange drivers left are: relatively cheap, easy to implement with no crossovers. But you can make it complicated if you wish. I wonder what happens when you digitally correct a full range driver with FIR, for instance.... could be even more heaven 😛
Almost all the reasons listed in the first post as why "their ability to extend vocal fortissimo naturally" are independent of volume. Phase, lobing, diffraction, time alignment, multi-driver interference... all are there whatever the volume.
Thinking is not the strong point of those AI machines.
Thinking is not the strong point of those AI machines.
Yes, sure ! That's the reason why I have some Wide Band Speakers as standalone units. It is for me the premium plus of this kind of speakers...
But it is nonetherless possible to built a multi-way enclosure, where the Midrange Speaker operates close to Wide Band Speaker, in order to cover the useful range of the frequency band devoted to a WBS, by just helping with a Tweeter and a Woofer.
Moreover, if your speakers have enough linear frequency band extension, you can use a 1st order crossover (preferably serial and substractive) - that's what I did on my 375L speakers, fitted with a 8" Beyma 8M60N :
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