Unnecessary.Obviously NOT with this design. However, if you think that running opamps at unity gain sounds like the cat's paw, putting a 50ohms in for R11 may do it for you.
I am a scientist by profession, but I'm also recovering from a cold, so.
Based on my limited understanding, the only things that should matter to the Id of Q9, which is what R27 will impact, are the rail voltages, the Vgs of Q9, and the value of R27. The SMD parts Q1-Q4 are at the other end of the circuit so I'm not sure why that is relevant.
What's unnecessary?Unnecessary.
I am getting a 7.5mV MM cart on monday.
Just to annoy people a little more with math:
-with the conservative 46dB number floating around (there are a 46 and a 49dB gain showing on the scheme for low gain settings and I am a little confused).
10^(46/20) = 200 (Vout/Vin)
200x0.0075=1.5V output or 2.1V with the 49dB figure.
I don't expect to be able to move my volume knob by more than a couple of clicks before hitting 85dBs at the speakers.
I don't know at which point things will blowup but another point to consider is current derived noise. Having 25mA (x2) or anymore current than necessary circulating where is not needed, will cause more PS sagging and ripple noise and more output stage noise. Those j112 seem to be noisy enough to start with.Oh boy. Yep, off by a decimal place. I need to fix that.
“What's unnecessary?”
The snippy attitude. Taking a shot at the guy who has single-handedly helped more people to achieve great things than nearly anyone in this forum is not cool.
Maybe if you asked for advice and help instead of criticizing you might end up enjoying that cartridge more.
The snippy attitude. Taking a shot at the guy who has single-handedly helped more people to achieve great things than nearly anyone in this forum is not cool.
Maybe if you asked for advice and help instead of criticizing you might end up enjoying that cartridge more.
J112 Matching -- Act III
Now that the cast is assembled, its time for the executive summary:
Measurements?
Instead of complaining you could just modify R9... or R22...
EDIT: (A few minutes later) For lower gain, the most straightforward would be decreasing the value of R22.
The normal feedback resistor is R9 (2K2). When left by itself, "jumper open", that is MC amounts of gain. For low gain, MM, so to speak, the jumper is used and R22 (220R) is connected parallel to R9. Lowering (fewer ohms) R22 and using the jumper for MM will give lower gain if you feel there's too much with the standard resistor values.
Instead of complaining you could just modify R9... or R22...
Not just complaining.
Did that. I adjusted the feedback loop as you suggest. I adjusted the feedback resistors and watched the distortion on the AP Analyzer. The resistor values will lower the gain, however at the price of distortion performance.
Thanks DT
Ohhhh well..... guess you´re in for a surprise.@Boydk : Whoops! Should have said. It was Bruckner's 7th symphony. The performance was a splendid live performance by an orchestra that truly understands Bruckner. You can tell, on repeated listenings, that Haitink had the casual tempos associated with extreme age. As with all Bruckner, you listen for the dramatic crescendos and those are here but not at all at the level of:
Jochum: Sinfonien 1-9 by Staatskapelle Dresden -- EMI SLS 5252. This is one of the greatest recordings I have ever heard. The crescendos blow you away and Jochum is at the top of the class for Bruckner interpretation. If you don't have this, make every effort to get a copy. As a recording used to show off an audiophile system the 4th symphony will do the trick. The first movement has the splendid drama associated with the famous subito decrescendo and the 3rd movement scherzo will rock your speakers with dramatic dynamic shifts. Have recommended this to many and they have all thanked me afterwards.
This recording is almost impossible to get hold of in Mint or NearMint condition, so unfortunately I had to settle for a little less.
Never mind.
And don´t get fooled. This version/pressing from Audio Analogue Association is the only one to go for.
You get the picture in the link below. This may sound different form my previous samples made with the AT-PTG/II.
This sample is made with the Shure V15-IV-MR. Love it and weep 😎
Shure V15-IV - Pearl 3 - Recording programme - PC - Dropbox
Been up all night listening. It´s 5:30AM in Denmark now..... going to bed 😆
Earlier in life, I had a V15-V-MR. It didn´t work for me at that time.......... Probably because of the riaa´s that were avaialble
to my limited budget then.
Then some friend of mine some years ago asked, if I wanted a cartridge. He "found it somewhere" and wasn´t interrested.
It turned out to be a V15-IV-MR (this one), that had been in it´s unopened box for 35+ years.
It was with great scepticism, I opened it. The suspension had to be totally hardened/stiff I thought.
Well..... love and behold......... It was absolutely immaculate..... just as good as the day it was produced.
I only use it on limited occasions each year, and so far it has run a little less than 100 hours 😍
to my limited budget then.
Then some friend of mine some years ago asked, if I wanted a cartridge. He "found it somewhere" and wasn´t interrested.
It turned out to be a V15-IV-MR (this one), that had been in it´s unopened box for 35+ years.
It was with great scepticism, I opened it. The suspension had to be totally hardened/stiff I thought.
Well..... love and behold......... It was absolutely immaculate..... just as good as the day it was produced.
I only use it on limited occasions each year, and so far it has run a little less than 100 hours 😍
A quick question regarding c1 and c12, has any of you used smaller values? Like 470nf ? Is the 1uf a problem with below 20 hz? Will smaller pass caps not act as a Rumble filter?
Reason i ask is that i have some very nice 500nf polystyrene capacitors
Reason i ask is that i have some very nice 500nf polystyrene capacitors
1+1 parallel = 1µF 😎Reason i ask is that i have some very nice 500nf polystyrene capacitors
Btw..... If you have a decent turntable, you don´t need a "rumble"-filter.
Okay..
Assuming i have a shitty turntable and need a low frequency cut off higher than 3hz, i see low pole is set in two places, might be wrong, beyond my knowledge, but c1 and especially c8 , which to change? I have no reason to have subsonics, some time ago i played with my af oscillator, i could not hear anything at 20hz, so why bother.
Assuming i have a shitty turntable and need a low frequency cut off higher than 3hz, i see low pole is set in two places, might be wrong, beyond my knowledge, but c1 and especially c8 , which to change? I have no reason to have subsonics, some time ago i played with my af oscillator, i could not hear anything at 20hz, so why bother.
I asked about that earlier, my Idea was to use better sounding PIO caps.A quick question regarding c1 and c12, has any of you used smaller values? Like 470nf ? Is the 1uf a problem with below 20 hz? Will smaller pass caps not act as a Rumble filter?
Reason i ask is that i have some very nice 500nf polystyrene capacitors
I was told that because of the feedback, the caps don't influence the sound much.
Any talk of impedance matching is above my paygrade. Could R28 be 100-220k instead of 47k and c12 be 0.22 or .47uf like in a tube amp? I don't know. It's an academic question at this point. The riaa is design is done and working. Maybe something for Wayne to consider in the P4? If there is a P4..
The board space is limited and I have decided I am not messing with these caps.
AFA the subsonic filter, it is implemented elsewhere in the circuit, I remember reading about it somewhere.
See #4937 for the simple voltage and R values. Have a reverse-riaa component coming next week and will be able to provide more complete specs at that time. As you likely know, measuring a phono pre is complicated by this EQ and the noise floor is open to additional equipment issues.Measurements
Hello grataku,
the value of C8 (100µF - 1000µF) determines the low frequency roll-off. If I remember right? In the LowFrequency-RIAA-section.
Cheers
Dirk
the value of C8 (100µF - 1000µF) determines the low frequency roll-off. If I remember right? In the LowFrequency-RIAA-section.
Cheers
Dirk
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