The Degradation of Proper English

The following four sentences are all grammatically correct:

She spoke to me and my friend.

She spoke to my friend and me.

My friend and I spoke to her.

I and my friend spoke to her.

The fourth sentence, while correct, is a little "clunky" and would not often be used.

The following four sentences are all grammatically incorrect:

She spoke to my friend and I.

She spoke to I and my friend.

Me and my friend spoke to her.

My friend and me spoke to her.

TIP:

If not sure what is right, simply ignore the my friend bit and it becomes obvious.

"She spoke to me" is correct, "she spoke to I" would clearly be wrong.

"I spoke to her" is correct, "me spoke to her" would clearly be wrong.

It is really very simple, but I have even heard the President of the United States use I when it should have been me 🙂
Great summary. Thanks.
 
  • Like
Reactions: David McBean
It's not a language thing, but the way the many people turn statements into questions is commonplace; they put an inflection on the last word in a sentence, as if expecting a reaction or something. 'I went to the Post Office yesterday?'. Only when speaking English, if they're speaking another language it doesn't seem to happen.

Geoff
 
Same can be said for proper music - at least that's what I've watched someone talk about, not being so interested in modern, current material myself. All in the name of "oh this is our generation's style"... Yeah, no form to it; no bridge, interlude, key change - it's a lovely 3 minute drone ya got there...

"Wearing pants backward is a style that was popularized by the 1990s rap group Kris Kross." It's still wearing them incorrectly. To me, deliberate deviation from well known, accepted form does not constitute "style". An OB speaker perhaps being an exception ;')
 
Same can be said for proper music - at least that's what I've watched someone talk about, not being so interested in modern, current material myself. All in the name of "oh this is our generation's style"... Yeah, no form to it; no bridge, interlude, key change - it's a lovely 3 minute drone ya got there...

with-a-vo-cal-track-that-sounds-like-it-is-be-ing-played-on-a-key-bored
 
It is difficult for me as a foreign speaker to see the difference:
He is murdered - this is his current status?
He has been murdered - also it happened in the past, but we see the result now?
He was murdered - I learned that is is associated with a past adverb, so when did it happen?
 
Besides the dumbing down of speech/conversation another thing that leaves me feeling awkward is smart phone youth asking you something and when the reply is more than 1 sentence of 10 words they look the other way (or to their screen). Like they don't want to know the answer so then why ask? Meanwhile not looking in the eyes is standard.

If you ask them wat the answer was they can not tell. I tested this a few times. Even stranger is that they carry a computer non stop but don't know to look something up.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Andonio
Meanwhile not looking in the eyes is standard.
How can if you tell a programmer is an extrovert?

He looks at your shoes when he's talking to you....

But there do seem to be a lot more people avoiding eye contact and behaving like they're the only person on the pavement, road or in the room.

Even when you pass them on a footpath they look somewhere else trying to pretend you're not there. I reserve a particularly effusive good morning or afternoon for them...
 
It could be they are on the spectrum - one of the behaviours is they avoid eye contact. My wife is a psychologist and after she explained some of this stuff to me about 25 yrs ago, I was able to look around at work and say ‘aha I understand a little of what’s going on here’ and make some allowances. This is of course absolutely nothing to do with getting ‘blanked’ which is just good old fashioned snobbery, for which, like you, I have the utmost disdain.

😊