The making of: The Two Towers (a 25 driver Full Range line array)

Haven't been working on Vandermill Audio that much lately. I was hard at work with the Vandermill Audi instead. 😊

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Learned how to do some minor paint correction etc. As I don't use it as much as I used to, it's now become my fun car.
Lovely to drive on the weekends!
 
Como você não tem muito espaço atrás de seus arrays, acho que a única maneira de fazer isso é usar um tweeter com um guia de onda apontado para cima. Meu pensamento é apontá-los para algum tipo de desarmador montado no teto. Não acho que você tenha espaço suficiente para pendurar desarmadores. Os difusores devem ser curvados para distribuir a reflexão.
I saw these tweeters and I immediately remembered your idea. They would be pointed vertically, not horizontally. Mounted on the back they would be unnoticeable.
 

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With a coil in series you still have damping where needed. Yet you swamp the difference of "Le" while the cone is moving. Many examples of how that can lower distortion.
But it would need more EQ-boost on top.

With how I set up my current arrays I went out of my way to limit movement of the cones, which will also limit the variations in "Le". This will also have a similar effect, to lower distortion.
 
I thought you might enjoy this quote from an Art Welter post in multiway last night

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I found the TC9FD subjectively to sound cleaner than any compression drivers at high volumes, melted it's voice coil off the former with no sound of distress, while a 3" diaphragm driver well within it's thermal range at the same SPL sounded harsh and IM (Inter Modulation) distorted.
The Purple TC9FD clearly is the winner in output below 600Hz, but with no phase plug, response is erratic above 3kHz."

He compared TC9FD to a few compression drivers, all on the same horn.
Small FRs especially with modern cone materials do not have/make many faults if well used.

Interesting to hear that compression drivers fall off.... is it due to distortion? Or the way they distribute the sound?

In relation to efficiency compression drivers can be quite free of distortion due to horn loading
 
My son listens a lot to my speakers lately. He even makes me sit down and listen to certain tracks. He's into a lot of the oldies that I grew up with and even gets me listening to these tracks again. Got to love bands like Supertramp in the 70's as they really did know how to take advantage of the Stereo format. The music as well as the way they make it image is working very well. A balanced sound is No. 1 for me, but the real bonus is when there's balance and good imaging. Using studio trickery or not I don't care. As long as it really grabs you.
 
My son listens a lot to my speakers lately.
Must be nice for him to have a dad like you!

As I recall, mine had zero interest in such things. And, as I think about up an down the street I grew up on, nobody was an audiophile. A couple families had Sansui or Harmon Kardon receivers, along with whatever commercial speakers they were sold along with.

It wasnt until I was a teenager, when my friend brought me over to his friends place that I saw a Dad who owned a real system; all McIntosh and the big Klipsch corner horns. Even then, a ping-pong table sat where the seating would have been. I asked permission and got to touch the controls, including rotating the "Aural compensation"!

Alas, I wasnt so unfortunate. One friends Dad just gave me his Marantz model 7. Said because "I seemed interested". Guess he wasnt all that interested in using it as the basis for his own system. For some reason, he only had one Dynaco MKIII and one AR3 speaker along with. I mean, it wouldnt have been that hard at the time to procure a second instance of those for stereo. Like my Dad, zero interest in it. They were friends; what they liked was golfing.

Betcha cant guess what I had / have zero interest in...
 
My son listens a lot to my speakers lately. He even makes me sit down and listen to certain tracks. He's into a lot of the oldies that I grew up with and even gets me listening to these tracks again. Got to love bands like Supertramp in the 70's as they really did know how to take advantage of the Stereo format. The music as well as the way they make it image is working very well. A balanced sound is No. 1 for me, but the real bonus is when there's balance and good imaging. Using studio trickery or not I don't care. As long as it really grabs you.

Wonderful that you are enjoying the music together!

jjasniew,

How's that golf handicap coming along? 🙂
 
Haven't been working on Vandermill Audio that much lately. I was hard at work with the Vandermill Audi instead. 😊

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Learned how to do some minor paint correction etc. As I don't use it as much as I used to, it's now become my fun car.
Lovely to drive on the weekends!
What happened to the 911 that you picked me up from the train station in? Is that a TT? Nice car!

Very cool that your son listens to your speakers as well.

My whole house is filled with my speakers on every room and spot imaginable so the whole family has no choice but to listen to my speakers! 🙂

I think my family doesn’t really know what plain store bought speakers sound like. At least not my kids.

The ones used the most are my DIY 0.53x Karlsonators with dual 3FE25-16 drivers. These are in the kitchen. Wonderful cabs built by Jhofland.

Next are the LSA Statement 100’s with ribbon tweeters and aluminum cone 6.5in OEM Wiggins woofers. I have a TL version of this I also play around with.

In the bedrooms are: Vanguard Archers, Galion Voyager TL’s, Vanguard Scouts, and DIY FR58EX MicroFAST.

Office has original Vanguards (homage to LS3-5A) nearfield on desktop.

Entertainment room has B80/RS225 FAST (sealed) with a powered subwoofer.

Lab has 10F/RS225 FAST TL plus XSD (swap out) and whatever else the current flavor of development is.
 
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What happened to the 911 that you picked me up from the train station in?

Just like us, it got old 🙂. It needed more attention than I could give it. I've always done the mechanical maintenance on the 911 myself. But as it was a car from 1982, it needed more and more care to stay on the road. That's when I got the Audi TT and told myself I would let (or pay 🙂) someone else do the work on that one. As I got a bit older too...
That same mechanic had been nagging me to buy the 911 from me for 5 years straight. I finally caved in, knowing he had the contacts to get done what needed to be done after my 16 years of using that 911 as my daily.
The Audi is a more comfortable car and as it is from 1998, it's a bit newer (lol). It's now my project car and I find myself doing more and more jobs on it myself. I guess I missed doing stuff like that 😀.
 
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About 26 years ago I fixed the power steering rack on my old Ford station wagon. That was the last time I got greasy finger nails and skinned knuckles. I told myself I will pay mechanics to do car work from then on. However, I did plug a tire leak myself a month ago. Pulling a wheel off a car is hard work! We do get old and stuff that takes muscle is best left to people with muscle and skill to fix. 🙂

TT’s are cool cars. Although air cooled 911’s are all the rage now with the guys restoring them and selling them for like 250 big ones (Singer for example).

Sorry for the off topic. I have a thread to discuss cars over in my forum if anyone wants to talk cars more.

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A balanced sound is No. 1 for me, but the real bonus is when there's balance and good imaging. Using studio trickery or not I don't care. As long as it really grabs you.
Fully agree. Would love to hear the imaging of your speakers - must be something special. Strange how I keep going back to 70's music that grabs me. Been listening a lot of Jethro Tull lately and particularly enjoy some of their live recordings.
 
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Although air cooled 911’s are all the rage now with the guys restoring them and selling them for like 250 big ones (Singer for example).

With the Singer DLS lightweight study, that price just went trough the roof!

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pistonheads.com said:
While it’s currently listed as POA, the DLS is a $2,000,000 (£1,570,000) car before options, so that should give you an idea of how much you’ll need to set aside.

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/glorious-singer-dls-porsche-911-for-sale/47976

And I bet the new Turbo's are even more expensive. I do like them DLS Singers very much, design wise. Not as big of a fan of the Turbo though.
I'll just keep on tinkering with my Audi....

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I've always been a fan of the old 911.
Never driven one... it's a shame.
That and the Datsun 240Z.
And the Alpha Romeo Spider Veloce.
I could go on... 🙂

Had fun driving my mates Honda CRX and Isuzu I-Mark RS when I was still a student.
I wish that Isuzu would make a come back. It was a real fun car.
Not in the same league as the Porsche, of course.

And in this corner of the world, there are no vintage 911. So, I'll have to forget the dream of trying one.
Been driving camping vans for the last 15 years... different vibe! 🙂

Your Audi is looking good!
 
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