If the only water is driven by pumps... and the city is next to a BIG range of hills, then someone didn't really plan for an emergency.
Maybe they thought it was Hawai'ian Time and the mai tai Happy Hour starts at 3:00PM...
WORSE yet, they are next to the Pacific Ocean. Sitting on the West Coasts of Maui and Hawai'i.. (and the OC) you just sit there and realize that for 8000 miles all there is... is.... a few islands and.... WATER.... the biggest, baddest Ocean there is on Earth.
(Yeah, that's not lost on us who live in SoCal and are not allowed to build desal plants: The water was here, the water was there and not a drop to drink!).
The sad part is that the Governments of Hawai'i and Maui could have called the Navy at Pearl Harbor and they could have brought in a few of them fire fighting boats.. They could have saved the waterfront and the marina in Lahaina. Doing this is NOT new.... it was done during the Loma Prieta quake to put out the fires at the Embarcadero in San Francisco. Didn't the fools think of it?
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...mb-aboard-the-san-francisco-fireboat/1885792/
I guess the big wigs in Wailuku were too busy drinking fine rum and smoking a wee bit of pakalolo. What me worry, bruddah?
Maybe they thought it was Hawai'ian Time and the mai tai Happy Hour starts at 3:00PM...
WORSE yet, they are next to the Pacific Ocean. Sitting on the West Coasts of Maui and Hawai'i.. (and the OC) you just sit there and realize that for 8000 miles all there is... is.... a few islands and.... WATER.... the biggest, baddest Ocean there is on Earth.
(Yeah, that's not lost on us who live in SoCal and are not allowed to build desal plants: The water was here, the water was there and not a drop to drink!).
The sad part is that the Governments of Hawai'i and Maui could have called the Navy at Pearl Harbor and they could have brought in a few of them fire fighting boats.. They could have saved the waterfront and the marina in Lahaina. Doing this is NOT new.... it was done during the Loma Prieta quake to put out the fires at the Embarcadero in San Francisco. Didn't the fools think of it?
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...mb-aboard-the-san-francisco-fireboat/1885792/
I guess the big wigs in Wailuku were too busy drinking fine rum and smoking a wee bit of pakalolo. What me worry, bruddah?
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Maui "plant of the month" https://mauiguide.com/maui-plant-eucalyptus/
Doing a little research -- the eucalyptus sheds its bark -- from the National Park Service:
https://www.nps.gov/pore/learn/mana...ement_fireeducation_newsletter_eucalyptus.pdf
I have only been to Maui once -- my sons wanted to see Hawaii so we stayed at Kapalua which is about 3 miles from Lahaina. Lahaina was indeed nice.
Doing a little research -- the eucalyptus sheds its bark -- from the National Park Service:
https://www.nps.gov/pore/learn/mana...ement_fireeducation_newsletter_eucalyptus.pdf
I have only been to Maui once -- my sons wanted to see Hawaii so we stayed at Kapalua which is about 3 miles from Lahaina. Lahaina was indeed nice.
At the very least, you'd want at least some diesel backup generators for the water pumps.
jeff
Lahaina will be back, I'm sure. It's too nice not to come back, and then there will be decisions... what kind of roof,? what color paint? rattan or wood chairs? etc...
I wonder what kind of a stereo you'd want in Hawai'i.
As I recall, if you were lucky you lived in a place with a nice breeze ( windward ) but then you had to deal with rain. In such places the houses have big eaves and big windows, so you let the windows open ( screened naturally ) and enjoy the cool air.
If you're in the center of leeward parts of the islands you close the windows and run the AC... which makes it a bit noisy. It does lower the humidity though.
Lahaina is leeward, but it's just on a narrow strip so I figure clouds come over the mountains from the East. It's not like Ewa Beach or Kailua-Kona. Lahaina is more humid.
The winter rainy season is awesome leeward, no need for AC, just let the breeze do its job... while the windward side gets socked with rain ( Hilo, Kaneohe anyone?).
So, what kind of a stereo can deal with such weather? I mean, it's not St. Louis with their 90/90 summers but it's still humid year round and you tend to live on top of each other, so cranking our ZZ Top won't do, perhaps just some Hawai'ian Country?
Do you have to protect the stereo from da B52s?
And no... no Jimmy Buffet... that's NOT Hawai'i...
If this world were a flower garden
And your smiling face a flower there in
Sunflower with the golden hair
I would know you anywhere
I could visit you in moonlight
Wouldn't make no difference
In the darkness you shine bright
Sunflower with the eyes of blue
I'd do everything just for you
La la la la la la la
Oh, Sunflower makes me sing
La la la la la la la
Oh, All the joy you bring to me
And we could make this world a flower garden
Truly such a nice place...in a house up in Manoa... if only they could bring back Fasi and Jack Lord. (*)
I think I got some Cecilio and Kapono LPs somewhere in there.... otherwise, it's just Tidal.
(*) You just know that McGarrett would arrest the Governor and the Maui County Bosses for "Murder One! Book them Dano!"
So one day, my mom and her friend were really late coming back from the Commissary. We had not clue... so we made dinner, worried, no cell phones then. They showed up hours late... turns out they were shooting that one episode where McGarrett had been called back to active duty (Navy Commander) and they were over at the Commissary... so all the ladies wanted to see him..... duh....
...the story continues... so they actually shot part of that episode at sea in my dad's ship. Two days. So, the destroyer squadron commander, a Captain, played the skipper, a Commander. Naturally, the real skipper, a Commander, played the XO, a Lieutenant Commander. The actual XO was sent packing away from the bridge and the mess hall during the shots. My dad and his crew were nowhere in sight. their offices were way aft, barely above the water line.
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/c/cochrane--ddg-21-.html
Cochrane remained in port for upkeep and maintenance for the majority of June 1975. She was briefly used as a location set for the filming on an episode of the police television drama Hawaii Five-O.
I wonder what kind of a stereo you'd want in Hawai'i.
As I recall, if you were lucky you lived in a place with a nice breeze ( windward ) but then you had to deal with rain. In such places the houses have big eaves and big windows, so you let the windows open ( screened naturally ) and enjoy the cool air.
If you're in the center of leeward parts of the islands you close the windows and run the AC... which makes it a bit noisy. It does lower the humidity though.
Lahaina is leeward, but it's just on a narrow strip so I figure clouds come over the mountains from the East. It's not like Ewa Beach or Kailua-Kona. Lahaina is more humid.
The winter rainy season is awesome leeward, no need for AC, just let the breeze do its job... while the windward side gets socked with rain ( Hilo, Kaneohe anyone?).
So, what kind of a stereo can deal with such weather? I mean, it's not St. Louis with their 90/90 summers but it's still humid year round and you tend to live on top of each other, so cranking our ZZ Top won't do, perhaps just some Hawai'ian Country?
Do you have to protect the stereo from da B52s?
And no... no Jimmy Buffet... that's NOT Hawai'i...
If this world were a flower garden
And your smiling face a flower there in
Sunflower with the golden hair
I would know you anywhere
I could visit you in moonlight
Wouldn't make no difference
In the darkness you shine bright
Sunflower with the eyes of blue
I'd do everything just for you
La la la la la la la
Oh, Sunflower makes me sing
La la la la la la la
Oh, All the joy you bring to me
And we could make this world a flower garden
Truly such a nice place...in a house up in Manoa... if only they could bring back Fasi and Jack Lord. (*)
I think I got some Cecilio and Kapono LPs somewhere in there.... otherwise, it's just Tidal.
(*) You just know that McGarrett would arrest the Governor and the Maui County Bosses for "Murder One! Book them Dano!"
So one day, my mom and her friend were really late coming back from the Commissary. We had not clue... so we made dinner, worried, no cell phones then. They showed up hours late... turns out they were shooting that one episode where McGarrett had been called back to active duty (Navy Commander) and they were over at the Commissary... so all the ladies wanted to see him..... duh....
...the story continues... so they actually shot part of that episode at sea in my dad's ship. Two days. So, the destroyer squadron commander, a Captain, played the skipper, a Commander. Naturally, the real skipper, a Commander, played the XO, a Lieutenant Commander. The actual XO was sent packing away from the bridge and the mess hall during the shots. My dad and his crew were nowhere in sight. their offices were way aft, barely above the water line.
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/c/cochrane--ddg-21-.html
Cochrane remained in port for upkeep and maintenance for the majority of June 1975. She was briefly used as a location set for the filming on an episode of the police television drama Hawaii Five-O.
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tonyEE, you have typed an awful lot for someone with so little knowledge and experience with Maui. I am undereducated myself even though my family first bought property in Kihei in 1978 and sold the final property in 2018. I think it would be highly respectful of you to take a back seat and stop guessing and speculating on things you have no business in doing so.
Audiofrenzy, I wish to correct you. The prices you quote are chicken feed compared with where I live. My statement applies to many areas in your country as well. Hawaii property is not expensive and Maui, the most expensive island, has cost of living levels only the same as here.
https://www.greatervictoriahomelist...&soldproperty=0&sortby=lowestprice&type=quick
2 bedroom, 1 bath condos. An outlier at $318k CAD > $235k USD. Next one is $479k > $355k then up from there.
Add a lot: https://www.greatervictoriahomelist...&soldproperty=0&sortby=lowestprice&type=quick
Start at $638k CAD > $472k USD
It is. bit worse over in Greater Vancouver where Cal lives. But we have cleaner streets and less smoke.
dave
2 bedroom, 1 bath condos. An outlier at $318k CAD > $235k USD. Next one is $479k > $355k then up from there.
Add a lot: https://www.greatervictoriahomelist...&soldproperty=0&sortby=lowestprice&type=quick
Start at $638k CAD > $472k USD
It is. bit worse over in Greater Vancouver where Cal lives. But we have cleaner streets and less smoke.
dave
Audiofrenzy, I am not challenging you. I just wished to suggest your figures are not as staggering as you might think. My modest 2 bed 2 bath townhome in a very seedy part of town, about 15 Km’s from the ocean would bring me $600k. The same unit near the water in Vancouver would be 2 mil.
The selling price for our 2 bed 2 bath unit in Kihei, across the street from the ocean sold for $375k usd or about $490k cad In 2018.
I was looking up the hill in Kihei back then and I could not believe what I could buy for 1 mil. To me it was staggering. That kind of unit around here is untouchable for me.
The selling price for our 2 bed 2 bath unit in Kihei, across the street from the ocean sold for $375k usd or about $490k cad In 2018.
I was looking up the hill in Kihei back then and I could not believe what I could buy for 1 mil. To me it was staggering. That kind of unit around here is untouchable for me.
When I moved away from Silicon Valley, you could buy a 1,200 sqft house with attached garage for $1M.
I bet there are $1.5M now.
I bet there are $1.5M now.
I apologize for continuing the off topic discussions. Lahaina is in our hearts now. What property value is doesn't mean a spit.
Please tell us how long you lived and worked on Maui, and how many elections you voted in there. Please tell us the basis for your guesses.
Cal, Pano-
I know the place quite a bit. The Socal american-asian community is very much in touch with Hawai'i because many of them have either roots there or family. Remember that... I'm no haole from Arizona making comments about something I know nothing about. We've been discussing that place quite a bit. I lived there for four years eons, my sister -born in Oahu- lived there for quite a while a few years ago and my wife has family and friends over there. Plus my late dad's employment had contacts in Oahu until the late 90s - I have step-aunties there too -in Manoa and Ewa Beach.
Anyhow, it's really sad and it makes me quite upset that more wasn't done to prevent -or mitigate- this. This is not just a problem with Maui, it's a problem endemic with the State and its roots could easily affect the other islands.
By both of your reckonings, none of us Mainlanders ought to be discussing the root causes of the disaster in Maui, then.
I do however wonder why we are discussing Lahaina in this site. The whole thing is so out of context! But just to make you happy, I'll go back to listening to music.
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I was unaware of you having lived there Tony. TBH, you did come across in what looked like a bad light. I will stop commenting on that now. This isn't about personalities.
We are discussing it as caring and concerned persons who gather on this wonderful forum and are encouraged to discuss things other than audio in one particular location. I don't find that out of context. I am very pleased that we learn about one another and our other interests. You and I have had many a great discussion offline because off the Lounge threads.
We are discussing it as caring and concerned persons who gather on this wonderful forum and are encouraged to discuss things other than audio in one particular location. I don't find that out of context. I am very pleased that we learn about one another and our other interests. You and I have had many a great discussion offline because off the Lounge threads.
It is a beautiful place indeed.
BTW, it's Hawai'i.... first thing you must learn on your way to getting a Kama'ania discount at the stores. ;-)
Just call me Tone'e
BTW, it's Hawai'i.... first thing you must learn on your way to getting a Kama'ania discount at the stores. ;-)
Just call me Tone'e
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Yellowknife residents told to evacuate. Looks like the fire is headed their way. My nephew has had smoke and ash almost every day for 2 months now.
I am watching the news.
22k population asked to leave by noon tomorrow. 5 hours to drive 100km in a heavy smoke, delays due to heavy equipment building fire breaks etc.
One road out of Yellowknife NWT, hwy #3, fires surrounding the highway. A guy being interviewed is saying the fibreglass poles are melting which carry the fibre-optic cable for comm.
Sad news, which them all luck, it’s a mess.
22k population asked to leave by noon tomorrow. 5 hours to drive 100km in a heavy smoke, delays due to heavy equipment building fire breaks etc.
One road out of Yellowknife NWT, hwy #3, fires surrounding the highway. A guy being interviewed is saying the fibreglass poles are melting which carry the fibre-optic cable for comm.
Sad news, which them all luck, it’s a mess.
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Problem with the pine forests is they burn easily in any event, and especially now that the place is drier than usual.
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