The wife & I visited the Cutty Sark ship in Greenwich in 2000. It burned.
The wife & I visited Notre Dame cathedral in Paris in 2010. It burned.
The wife & visited Lahiana in Maui in 1993. It burned.
Where shall we visit next?
Personally I have stopped most driving. I don't drive to buy coffee every morning, I limit my restaurant visits to ones I reach on the bicycle, Monthly the wife & I go out to eat in the car. I bring food into my house weekly on a bicycle. My most recent trip from my summer camp consumed 0.34 kwh over 30 miles. I limit electricity use on the bicycle to steep hills or stiff headwinds. The rest of the distance I pedal unpowered.
The wife & I visited Notre Dame cathedral in Paris in 2010. It burned.
The wife & visited Lahiana in Maui in 1993. It burned.
Where shall we visit next?
Personally I have stopped most driving. I don't drive to buy coffee every morning, I limit my restaurant visits to ones I reach on the bicycle, Monthly the wife & I go out to eat in the car. I bring food into my house weekly on a bicycle. My most recent trip from my summer camp consumed 0.34 kwh over 30 miles. I limit electricity use on the bicycle to steep hills or stiff headwinds. The rest of the distance I pedal unpowered.
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Not sure about the rest of the country, but here in LA its getting a lot of coverage on TV and radio news.
TV said one local fire dept was sending a trained search and rescue team. Unfortunately they are obviously needed.
Radio said Oprah is somewhere over there offering assistance.
Last I heard count was 55 dead, but there are a lot of missing people.
TV said one local fire dept was sending a trained search and rescue team. Unfortunately they are obviously needed.
Radio said Oprah is somewhere over there offering assistance.
Last I heard count was 55 dead, but there are a lot of missing people.
From coverage I’ve seen, a helluva lot of confusion at the airport, and yup, the scope of the tragedy is probably weeks away from fully assessing.
Hi Chris,
Never been to the blowhole. Lots of time spent exploring Wailuku itself but not there.
We are hearing that officials are not looking forward to going through the razed buildings for fear of finding remains. Lots of them, they expect.
Never been to the blowhole. Lots of time spent exploring Wailuku itself but not there.
We are hearing that officials are not looking forward to going through the razed buildings for fear of finding remains. Lots of them, they expect.
they say a 1000 missing. Many will be found dead in therihomes, and i hope many elsewhere and as yet accounted for.
:^(
dave
:^(
dave
There is a lot of confusion there, so hopefully that accounts for a large part of the 1000 missing. But I fear there is a lot more bad news to come.
On the positive side, airlines are stepping up and adding planes to fly supplies to Maui, and take tourists out. Must be crazy at the airport.
On the positive side, airlines are stepping up and adding planes to fly supplies to Maui, and take tourists out. Must be crazy at the airport.
I fear the day is coming that many more of us will be fleeing our homes to escape wildfires. I don't see why it couldn't happen here.
I sure hope I'm wrong.
I sure hope I'm wrong.
Having houses built too close together really does not help. It gets worse than a dry forest if the wind keeps above 40MPH for a decent duration.
I got to watch a place I used to live burn up along with 1100 other structures.
Changing some building codes can help. It is no good to have a city require wood fencing between houses it seems.
And ouch that is going to take a long time to rebuild if they do.
I got to watch a place I used to live burn up along with 1100 other structures.
Changing some building codes can help. It is no good to have a city require wood fencing between houses it seems.
And ouch that is going to take a long time to rebuild if they do.
I had to evacuate my house during the raging blaze in Superior, CO at the end of 2021. It’s a very eerie experience to watch your neighborhood in flames from some hotel room. I didn’t sleep that first night.
I considered buying a house in old town Superior around 1993 or so. I was a little priced out and also had concerns about a bad fire happening.
The electric lines sometimes arced or broke around 93 and 170. Seemed to happen year after year. The constant wind from the west could turn a discarded cigarette into a burned up town. Also I extinguished a fire from a cigarette on 93 once and knew to just stay away. Not ssure who to blame about the Superior fir. I figure it could be multiple possible sources that day.
I bought a house closer to Denver and still stayed up late when the Superior fire happened. Filled the van with gas and considered hitching the trailer and getting out.
Luckily I did not need to evacuate but I was got going to bed for sure.
The electric lines sometimes arced or broke around 93 and 170. Seemed to happen year after year. The constant wind from the west could turn a discarded cigarette into a burned up town. Also I extinguished a fire from a cigarette on 93 once and knew to just stay away. Not ssure who to blame about the Superior fir. I figure it could be multiple possible sources that day.
I bought a house closer to Denver and still stayed up late when the Superior fire happened. Filled the van with gas and considered hitching the trailer and getting out.
Luckily I did not need to evacuate but I was got going to bed for sure.
Very sad to see what's happened to Lahaina. We spent a lot of time in Hawaii when my wife's best friend lived in Kailua and often visited Mauii when we always stayed at the Pioneer Inn on the harbour
front. It was the square building to the left in the "Before" picture. Loss of all those important cultural buildings though is nothing compared to the terrible loss of life. I just cant imagine what it must have been like for those poor souls who perished
What's extra sad is that I thought there was a warning system in place for tsunami's and such with siren's at least I think it was also installed on Mauii . Why wasnt that used ?
front. It was the square building to the left in the "Before" picture. Loss of all those important cultural buildings though is nothing compared to the terrible loss of life. I just cant imagine what it must have been like for those poor souls who perished
What's extra sad is that I thought there was a warning system in place for tsunami's and such with siren's at least I think it was also installed on Mauii . Why wasnt that used ?
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Such horrible pictures and news. I fear about human losses, cultural loss ( buildings) is very sad but human loss are a tragedy.
I don't know Hawaiian culture ( except about North Shore and Peha'ii) but are fire happening from time to time in there?
Cultural habits about it helps to save life in my part of the world ( south of France, Spain and Portugal), if it striked with nobody knowing what to expect and how to react i fear it will be a carnage.
I hope not. My thoughts goes to people in there.
I don't know Hawaiian culture ( except about North Shore and Peha'ii) but are fire happening from time to time in there?
Cultural habits about it helps to save life in my part of the world ( south of France, Spain and Portugal), if it striked with nobody knowing what to expect and how to react i fear it will be a carnage.
I hope not. My thoughts goes to people in there.
Typically, things unfold too fast for people to think about anything, but to get out.
In the case of Superior, I was driving to the store with my daughter when a State trooper parked in the middle of an intersection to redirect traffic. What immediately shocked me was the utter fear I could read on his face, as if he had seen Hell itself.
5 minutes later large amounts of black smoke billowed over the area.
30 minutes later, half a block of houses had been torched. Then 60 MPH winds picked up.
Let me tell you, no one had the composure to turn on the tornado sirens, everyone was too eager to get out of there.
But in truth, these systems are very rarely used and after 20-50 years of disuse, I am not sure people in charge even know where the button is.
They still blow the tornado siren in my neck of the woods. In fact it went off twice in one day last month, and hell broke loose both times.
The thought of a wildfire and ensuing panic absolutely terrifies me. Although the greater Chicagoland community is very fire conscious (thanks to the Great Chicago Fire), I don't fool myself that it can't happen here.
The thought of a wildfire and ensuing panic absolutely terrifies me. Although the greater Chicagoland community is very fire conscious (thanks to the Great Chicago Fire), I don't fool myself that it can't happen here.
Sadly given the new weather conditions it can happen almost everywhere.
I live in a 'wet' area, 45 km away from Atlantic coast ( Brittany in the Broceliande's forest) and last summer the forest burnt. Fire stopped at 3km of our village. I wasn't very confident and nervous despite our firemen are good and had help from Canadair ( water bomber aircraft).
Landscapes looked like spanish's Costa Brava prior to the fire ( because of heatwave we faced). Usually it is green and a bit rainy...
I live in a 'wet' area, 45 km away from Atlantic coast ( Brittany in the Broceliande's forest) and last summer the forest burnt. Fire stopped at 3km of our village. I wasn't very confident and nervous despite our firemen are good and had help from Canadair ( water bomber aircraft).
Landscapes looked like spanish's Costa Brava prior to the fire ( because of heatwave we faced). Usually it is green and a bit rainy...
When I was there the sirens were tested every week so I think they would have been in working order but yes your right this did happen very fast by all accounts. For a tsunami, which it was designed to warn against there would be a lot more time for evacuation. Hopefully lessons will be learned at least .
Some coverage I’ve seen suggests parts of the system did work, but that much of the hard infrastructure was aged enough to be very vulnerable, and lacked resilient backup.
No doubt there will be much investigation and, unfortunately, politicization to follow.
One side says the electricity being left on caused problems.
The other side says the lack of electricity was a big problem.
Anyway, heard from the last of the unknowns from our side. He has reported in no uncertain terms the level of this. His place was spared but can hardly explain the chaos and whatever else you want to call it. I will call him in a couple days. Right now even cell coverage is sketchy depending on how close you are to town.
The other side says the lack of electricity was a big problem.
Anyway, heard from the last of the unknowns from our side. He has reported in no uncertain terms the level of this. His place was spared but can hardly explain the chaos and whatever else you want to call it. I will call him in a couple days. Right now even cell coverage is sketchy depending on how close you are to town.
Indeed, many of the news media are relying on satellite phones and uplinks. Lots more questions at present than definitive answers - real-time demonstrations of Tower of Babel.
At the risk of censure, I’d refer those interested to an interview with former state representative and 7th generation Hawaiian Kaniela Ing. He definitely doesn’t mince words.
At the risk of censure, I’d refer those interested to an interview with former state representative and 7th generation Hawaiian Kaniela Ing. He definitely doesn’t mince words.
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