Just picked up an HP 333A got a few questions

Hi Romero,

I believe the only HP333A/334A I've seen in action was at a Test/Repair clinic sponsored by a HiFI shop and the clinic featured a whiz tech from McIntosh. He was fast and I watched him test (and frequently re-tube) a steady stream of ampifiers of many brands, brought by customers. I was an EE co-op student at the time, circa 1967. I clearly remember the fancy lever switch he used to activate Autotune.

This story told to explain I have no familiarity with the 334A, but I have helped a few members successfully troubleshoot their HP339A analyzers. I believe I'd enjoy this challenge.

Would you tell be about the symptoms that lead you to suspect the A5 board?

Sounds like you've already checked the power supplies, so have covered some important basics. I'm guessing you're somewhere in section 5 of the service manual. In any case, would you advise where are in the troubleshooting process, and what you observe at the earliest problematic spot in the signal path?

General questions: same symptoms on all ranges? Do switches "feel" erratic, dirty?,

Lastly, woulyou tell me about a bit your sine wave generator, eg. what frequency range it covers, and distortion performance, if known.

I'm currently traveling but will be in Denver, Colorado tomorrow. What time zone are you in?
Hi Bsst, to explain a little bit more, I ran tests with voltimeter and set level functions and all of them work very well. Now the malfunction is only at automatic mode which puts level meter at overload. Power supply is at +25.15V and -25.52V with almost no ripple.
 
I misunderstood. I thought you could not null in manual mode either. So I agree that problem most likely in A5. I'll study circuitry so I can ask better questions. Sounds like you've made great progress. You may have it fixed while I'm still studying. 😀
 
I misunderstood. I thought you could not null in manual mode either. So I agree that problem most likely in A5. I'll study circuitry so I can ask better questions. Sounds like you've made great progress. You may have it fixed while I'm still studying. 😀
HI,
No, You don't misunderstood, I really was with this problem, but making adjusts at bias on A3 Board I fixed it!
 
If I interpret correctly, you've made it successfully into section 5-40 and have arrived at 5-44 where you begin to find trouble. I suggest working through section 5-44 and noting any trouble spots where observation doesn't resemble the waveforms in the manual.

There's a similar procedure you have to follow to examine the phase-control loop; it's not explicitly detailed, so HP wants you to sort it out on your own.

Of course both amplitude and phase loops have to perform correctly to get a deep null. If you're lucky, at least one of the loops will be working and will narrow the repair.

Of particular interest is the first sentence in 5-44-d. Seeing -0.5V is a necessary condition for the first sentence of 5-44-c. Finding about 16V on A5-pin 17 is indication that the amplitude lamp and its driver transistor are operable. The corresponding test procedure for the phase loop should find about 16V on A5-pin 10.

Once you've entered Automatic mode, also note the voltages on A5-pins 17 and 10 even though they may be stuck in overload. These will be additional clues about the failure.

I suggest exploring these steps before venturing into photocell adjustment.

Let me know what you observe. Good luck!

Steve
 
If I interpret correctly, you've made it successfully into section 5-40 and have arrived at 5-44 where you begin to find trouble. I suggest working through section 5-44 and noting any trouble spots where observation doesn't resemble the waveforms in the manual.

There's a similar procedure you have to follow to examine the phase-control loop; it's not explicitly detailed, so HP wants you to sort it out on your own.

Of course both amplitude and phase loops have to perform correctly to get a deep null. If you're lucky, at least one of the loops will be working and will narrow the repair.

Of particular interest is the first sentence in 5-44-d. Seeing -0.5V is a necessary condition for the first sentence of 5-44-c. Finding about 16V on A5-pin 17 is indication that the amplitude lamp and its driver transistor are operable. The corresponding test procedure for the phase loop should find about 16V on A5-pin 10.

Once you've entered Automatic mode, also note the voltages on A5-pins 17 and 10 even though they may be stuck in overload. These will be additional clues about the failure.

I suggest exploring these steps before venturing into photocell adjustment.

Let me know what you observe. Good luck!

Steve
Hi Steve,
One doubt I had was the set lamp-ldr because I read in several blogs that this unit gave problem there I tested all the photensors according to 5-47 and were all within the tolerance +/- 20%. Now I'm going to move on to section 5-44 and follow the steps.. I think problem just might be there.

Thank you,
Regards and Have a Nice weekend.