Maybe in your country...not in mine.We're applied 3x cost per kilowatt hour penalties for the reactive power that's above a prescribed limit. We're measured every single microwatt we take out of the grid!
Of course...we are taxed by a german company called EON who does basically nothing as all the energy makers, the infrastructure and maintenance is done by the original 70 years old romanian companies , while EON takes 6 parts out of 7 in profits...
EON is just applying local laws. They can’t charge households with reactive energy penalty tax on their own. In Croatia, there is no reactive energy metering and penalties for households or public lighting. However, everyone else is charged for excessive reactive energy, above some threshold.
I can’t find regulations for Germany, but any additional tax must be clearly specified on monthly bill or annual recapitulation.
I can’t find regulations for Germany, but any additional tax must be clearly specified on monthly bill or annual recapitulation.
In our country only companies that have large electricty accounts with a power factor lower than 0.85 can be charged for the transport of the apparent power minus working power. They don't bother private citizens for now...
I was just looking on Google for some intel how to do amplifier measurements with large amplifiers and I stumbled on this video by Audioholics:
They review also the Pass Labs X350.5 which is of course the stereo version of a X600.5 chassis.
They've a kind of no nonsense approach that I've seen also with other reviewers and mostly high-end designs are met with suspicion. But maybe I'm wrong. They don't of course make a statement about how they sound.
I you do not want to look at the whole video you can start at 15:00 minutes
They've a kind of no nonsense approach that I've seen also with other reviewers and mostly high-end designs are met with suspicion. But maybe I'm wrong. They don't of course make a statement about how they sound.
I you do not want to look at the whole video you can start at 15:00 minutes
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With one channel driven it clearly makes at ratings at 1%:
480 Watts at 8 Ohms and 675 Watts at 4 Ohms.
480 Watts at 8 Ohms and 675 Watts at 4 Ohms.
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This guy named Gene DellaSala is promoting amps like the Emotiva XPR-1 which are precision crafted in China (PRC) and NAD Class D amps. I do not posses 1% of his technical knowledge, but Pass Labs is his favorite brand to kick against... In the 80's it was Levinson especially the ML-2 one of the best amplifiers IMO. Even at TAS and Stereophile (which never reviewed anything from Levinson (MLAS) till 1986 being the ML-7A as the first (updated) product from Madrigal) they treated Mark Levinson as an arrogant snob...
You keep repeating this. Instead, why not make class D designs worth 100 bucks of components and sell them for 1400 bucks? You can have all of Bruno's business. I'm not defending him because I don't care. I'm just saying, instead of complaining about who the laws favor, use them to your own advantage.
Yes, there most definitely is! Since Pass Labs is selling to EU, they must comply with CE regulations.
ANY person has to right to ask for these documents, any manufacturer has the obligation to show these to any customer.
In this case, the topic is even about an amplifier in Germany.
Can't get any more on-topic then that!!
They can also even easily share that information here on the forum.
But it's kind of a strange world, apparently people care more about a few percent of distortion/power instead of the fact of the product is even compliant with certain regulations?
I totally understand that for a DIY amplifier, but for a production amplifier with a certain price-tag?
me too in EU ,there is no point for the rest of us to care for such irrelevant trivia.
Is Pass Labs (or the proper corporate name that I don't know) selling into the EEA / EU => Who's the importer of record? This may help identify the body with the obligation for compliance. If those concerned did not know about his forum, and/or were not enthusiasts, how within your country would you most effectively inquire?
I find it unlikely that there is a requirement to provide substantiating regulatory compliance documentation to a consumer or 'just anyone that asks', but I'll defer to others with direct knowledge in the matter. My context for skepticism is that in my previous field, the requirement was that substantiating documents must be provided to regulatory bodies upon request. Those persons reviewing said documents were held to privacy standards and practices so as to protect intellectual property. We would never have released documents of that nature to a 'general consumer'. We definitely would not have posted them to a public forum. I understand that it's a different field, different products, and certainly different regulations. Either way, if it's true that a company must provide these documents to consumers, and were my goal to understand the compliance of the product, I'd be asking the responsible party for the documentation through proper channels. Then, if the documents are not provided in a timely manner, there is a proper document trail, and perhaps recourse.
Note - the product may be non-compliant. I haven't the foggiest clue. I don't intend to imply one way or the other. I hope those genuinely concerned get the answers they seek. I'm offering a suggestion for how they might go about it more productively.
I find it unlikely that there is a requirement to provide substantiating regulatory compliance documentation to a consumer or 'just anyone that asks', but I'll defer to others with direct knowledge in the matter. My context for skepticism is that in my previous field, the requirement was that substantiating documents must be provided to regulatory bodies upon request. Those persons reviewing said documents were held to privacy standards and practices so as to protect intellectual property. We would never have released documents of that nature to a 'general consumer'. We definitely would not have posted them to a public forum. I understand that it's a different field, different products, and certainly different regulations. Either way, if it's true that a company must provide these documents to consumers, and were my goal to understand the compliance of the product, I'd be asking the responsible party for the documentation through proper channels. Then, if the documents are not provided in a timely manner, there is a proper document trail, and perhaps recourse.
Note - the product may be non-compliant. I haven't the foggiest clue. I don't intend to imply one way or the other. I hope those genuinely concerned get the answers they seek. I'm offering a suggestion for how they might go about it more productively.
Subject: device X
Brand: [insert famous or popular brand name/designer here]
Issue: defect/design imperfection/incorrect specifications found
Follow up: denial, change of subject, group behavior
Brand: [insert famous or popular brand name/designer here]
Issue: defect/design imperfection/incorrect specifications found
Follow up: denial, change of subject, group behavior
These are some f.... second hand PRICES for some audio amplifiers that pretend to deliver the same power as a 500...1000$ soundstage amplifier as new and some think there's no reason or obligation to ask or deliver compliance paper at all...
https://www.hifishark.com/model/pass-labs-x-600-5
If I had bought such an amp as new at his retail price on the shelf and found it doesn't deliver what its specs are, I'd politely invite the manufacturer a*s in a court of justice and ask back for 600.5 times the price I paid for it.
That would be just the screaming generosity of my wallet.
The reason why this wouldn't probably happen is because the usual guys who buy those amps as new have no technical curiosity of sorts, and there's a whole group and individual psychology preventing this happening.
https://www.hifishark.com/model/pass-labs-x-600-5
If I had bought such an amp as new at his retail price on the shelf and found it doesn't deliver what its specs are, I'd politely invite the manufacturer a*s in a court of justice and ask back for 600.5 times the price I paid for it.
That would be just the screaming generosity of my wallet.
The reason why this wouldn't probably happen is because the usual guys who buy those amps as new have no technical curiosity of sorts, and there's a whole group and individual psychology preventing this happening.
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You 2 just need to catch the right moment...
Waver: any similarities between the pandas and Nelson & Wayne are purely coincidental.
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