Depends. Maybe they evolved into some weird religious species that gather different life from different planets to sacrifice to some weird god of theirs. Who knows how the universe evolutionary selects at large scales.
Another variant that might explain the lack of signs in the universe might be that intelligent life tends to get lost in ancestral simulations several layers deep. Or maybe they all move into some extra small spatial dimensions that require way less energy.
Another variant that might explain the lack of signs in the universe might be that intelligent life tends to get lost in ancestral simulations several layers deep. Or maybe they all move into some extra small spatial dimensions that require way less energy.
My point here is that unethical behaviour inevitably leads to destruction since it ends up reducing chances of survival by it's very description. So looking at our track record as a template, we are confirmation that a more highly intelligent civilization from another world with the ability to communicate with us is also highly moral. Look at how many amoral civilizations have abruptly disappeared here as an example. We're next in line.
We sorely need a datapoint outside of our own historical frame of reference to attempt answer that. Do societies tend to collectivize in a civilized manner prior to going out and meeting other similar spacefaring life forms or is the trend for outside civilizations to visit planets as works in progress and help “uplift” them? And if it’s the latter, do they do so discreetly or not?
Not being ethical to (most) insects or say hyenas does not change anything for us. We can be some type of hyena to some sort of Prometheus Engineer type alien. Imagine that some alien that has twice our IQ points would make for quite the difference in how they perceive us. Or maybe they see us like we see rats or some other pest. Are you ethical to rats?
IMO, intelligence and morality are universal quality standards parallel to the building blocks of matter. Pulling the wings off of flies to torturing small animals as a child most often leads to serious repercussions later in life if not dealt with forthwith. You either come to your senses and stop on your own or someone intervenes, hopefully early enough before any serious consequences. Lots of stats out there to confirm the outcome. Dealing with vermin as an adult is not an ethical issue but rather one of necessity. Before you suggest we are vermin, I'll refer you back to my first statement here. In any case intelligence recognizes the difference no matter it's origin, again imo.
Intelligence is a spectrum, like say voltage. There's a certain Vdrop from us past which we don't care that much anymore.
Also we consume resources and watch netflix or play football. For an alien race we can be considered mold that evolved to space-mold, and may prefer to snuff us out before we spread.
We have no idea as there aren't any data points on this issue. And we certainly can't defend ourselves against a greater intelligence than ours. Until we do I don't think it's smart to get noticed or try to communicate.
Also we consume resources and watch netflix or play football. For an alien race we can be considered mold that evolved to space-mold, and may prefer to snuff us out before we spread.
We have no idea as there aren't any data points on this issue. And we certainly can't defend ourselves against a greater intelligence than ours. Until we do I don't think it's smart to get noticed or try to communicate.
Also maybe their AI-like thing simulates stuff and says "hey guys, listen, these suckers are going to steal your tech and eventually try to snuff you out, so you know what you have to do"? We just can't know what's possible and there's too many variables.
Also we should consider what we gain vs what we risk. Is there anything they can give us that we wouldn't eventually find ourselves?
Coming back to humans in space, that makes no sense anyway. Humans only make sense on an Earth like environment. Going for long times through space is just asking for trouble. We clearly need to either engineer ourselves to be adapted to that environment, either completely recreate some sort of Human 2.0, that might not physically resemble us, like at all. Human form is for Earth (like) only.
Also we should consider what we gain vs what we risk. Is there anything they can give us that we wouldn't eventually find ourselves?
Coming back to humans in space, that makes no sense anyway. Humans only make sense on an Earth like environment. Going for long times through space is just asking for trouble. We clearly need to either engineer ourselves to be adapted to that environment, either completely recreate some sort of Human 2.0, that might not physically resemble us, like at all. Human form is for Earth (like) only.
As some would even argue that intelligent interaction is not likely on this forum, I’m not surprised by your point. 😃
However, natural phenomenon appearing by dozens at the same time frame every day for a week and behaving as described? Impossible beyond any reasonable argument.
I listened to Nick Pope when he appeared on LBC radio around 2.30 am to be interviewed regarding the Calvine photograph.
It was soon obvious to me that he had his feet firmly planted in the extraterrestial camp.
He mentioned his association with the American TV series 'Ancient Aliens' to which he is a contributor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens
He would be taking part in a theatre tour (starting November) called 'Ancient Aliens Live' which would celebrate the TV series in front of live audiences of around 2000 people.
https://www.ancientalienslivetour.c...stronomy and a B.S. in Electrical Engineering.
Given the above information, we are now in a better position to judge his interest in the Calvine photograph.
Initiatives like SETI appears to be on the search for 1920s technology, massively high power transmissions radiating everywhere. Even the hairless monkeys on this planet quickly (~0.00000000007253209545% the age of the universe) abandoned that tech for much lower power distributed high frequency systems and subterranean light links undetectable inches away.
Presuming other civilisations aren't orders of magnitudes dumber than us the length of time beings close enough to be detected are still at that first stage of transmission technology is so short that the window for detecting them must be incomprehensibly brief. And that's assuming electromagnetic platforms are used.
For that particular type of signal, sure. What about megastructures? They'd need them to harness the power of stars to be able to colonize galaxies. Unless somehow all intelligent life that reaches that point manages to massively reduce the power they need. There are some theories on this as well.
Oh I personally can’t stand the man. He may be a self-aggrandizing bell end but I can’t see how what he thinks has any bearing on the facts.
Yes. As noted in the film/book 'Contact', man's first really high-power RF transmission was the 1939 Olympics, only 73 years ago. We've now begun to develop the fundamental technology for long range information transmission by way of modulating space-time. So, we may potentially be utilizing RF for long range communication for a period of only, let's guess and say, 200 years. Counting from 1939. A relatively very narrow window. This is all just speculation, of course.
So, the technical progress of an alien civilization would need be within that of our own by a 200 year window to contact them/us via RF across interstellar space. If they are behind that window of progress, they haven't yet developed high-power RF technology. They are at pre-1939 of our level, so there would be nothing yet to detect. A civilization in advance of that window may be utilizing space-time, or who knows what, for long range communication, and have advanced beyond RF. So, we wouldn't detect them either. In addition, it's not hard to imagine that any civilization which has advanced past RF technology, is probably still listening for civilizations that have reached the high-power RF stage, but they don't see that it's in their interest, or in ours, to establish contact with us until we progress beyond RF.
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Depending on civilizational age. After a couple million years - aka a blink - they may have seen it so many times that we're just polluting their ether.