I intended these comments to be read in the context of the reproduction of a recording. Use in the creative process of making a recording is a different matter.
The question is why in the world are you here if you don't like this thread.
There is a lot of great content in this thread for anyone truly interested in improving their audio performance. Look no further than two posts back from yours, #573, for an excellent write up by wesayso regarding his experiences. And then the subsequent discussion after that continues to add even more useful information.
But if you are just here to complain about me and aren't interested in the valuable content, then you probably would be better off spending your time elsewhere.
@jedaisoul that makes no difference in my opinion of your prior post. Imaging past the speakers is still possible, even with "live" recordings.
Well, it's nice to know that in the three weeks since I started this thread you would have been able to research the market, pick out a speaker to build, procure the parts, build it, and have it fully operational so that you could "get what you claim you want". Unfortunately, I just don't seem to be able to do things quite that fast, although I admire those that can.
Hang a rug on the wall or whatever. A trip to the big box retailer. I've seen them for 10 bucks, 5 x 8. The point is you're not trying. If I were buying speakers I'd probably want those audience fullranges.
I'm not trying to do room correction because, as I have already said multiple times, I do not believe it will make much difference, if any at all, in my room with regard to sound stage. And that also seems to be consistent with the link I posted to the video by Paul McGowan.
Now I could be wrong about that. But I could also be right. Just because you and others keep pushing it is not enough reason for me change my direction on what to do. Call me stubborn. I don't' care.
And I would like to know if you have really done exactly what you are telling me to do or is this just repeating a lot of what you have read on the internet. I suspect that most of the people here telling me what to do have not really done it themselves and most of this is just a lot of groupspeak.
So, thank you for the advice, but please stop hounding me over it. Let's both spend our time on something much more useful.
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Me? I hate horn-blowing, really. Hate it. But you asked. 48 years in Pro Audio (broadcast and recording) designed studios, control rooms, home theaters (I’m THX Tech II certified), and private listening rooms, more than I can now count. I’m still doing it. I’ve also been involved in research, electronic product design and manufacturing. Extensive experience in acoustic test and measurement since the early days of the TEF. New tools are way better. Still doing that too. Large venue sound and distributed sound, masking, corporate AV systems.
So yeah, I’ve done everything I’ve suggested to you here many times over.
But I might no know what I’m talking about.
You?
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That’s up to the user. Depends on what his goal is and how he gets a satisfactory experience with the system and room he has. As a producer, I care more about the listeners ultimate happiness with my recording than the fact that he replicated my mix environment. As a listening space designer my target is to try to replicate the experience of the original creative environment. Listeners don’t always want that.
I would interpret the description "not genuine; counterfeit" in this context as implying "added in the reproduction process; not in the original recording".
Me? No. I already told you I got the zobels out, and if I do it or not is irrelevant, pretty clearly many here have. Your doubts are your responsibility to work out, not anyone else's to do for you. This is something you should keep in mind in general, looks like.
ClassicalFan, Floyd Toole is a big fan of classical music and uses amplifiers to upmix his 2-channel sources to multi-channel for the orchestra hall-like immersion you’re after. If money is no object, why don’t you simply copy his approach?
You gave an example of where a sound was present in one channel only. This hardly ever happens though. Either in a recording or in mixing, a sound event often is present in both channels, be it at a different timing, SPL level or maybe even inverted. For instance during recording, a mic picks up sound from the other side (at lower levels), a mic pics up a reflection bounce off of a nearby wall, or in studio work, in a mix a delayed copy is used in the opposite channel etc.
In such a situation the sound will be placed due to the sum both of our ears that hear it. This can very well be outside of the speaker placement, in front of the speaker or behind the speaker position aside from . In the reproduction of this recorded or mixed event, granted that the system must be capable of reproducing it. Free of (very) early reflections, speakers not diffracting etc. In one wants to reproduce this faithfully, I cannot call it fake/counterfeit.
It will be much more rare to have a sound event present as a pure sound in one channel only. Yes, this has happened in the very early Stereo recordings. Those do cling to the speaker position.
I agree that the user is entitled to press the "stadium" button on his AV system (if they still have one?), but how can that be said to be other than "fake"?
Then you are precisely the kind of person I would like to just try the setup. I speak as an amateur with no pretext of professional knowledge or experience. Perhaps that makes it easier for me to experiment with an arrangement that I might otherwise "know" is a non-starter? Please, give it a try... If you do not hear a stable sound stage extend beyond the inner pair of speakers, then I will accept that my hearing may be defective.
Yes, I know. I have Toole's book and have read all about his multi-channel listening room.
He has a very large room in which to do it and if I had a comparable sized room it might work for me as well. But I don't. Mine is very small.
I think there are other things to do first that make a lot more sense for me. Having said that, however, it is on my list of things to possibly try. Just not very high up until I try these other things first.