Then.
I've seen many others from e amp where I realize that the best audio quality comes from the best internal quality of your caps etc, but for this better one more UDs are charged $$$$$$
I've been reading a lot about these types of changing caps as a way to improve the sound of the device, so I think "TRY" and have fun with it, it's only 32$ spent.
High End Audio - Electrolytic capacitors
That is a multi-layer PCB and the chance of damaging it when you are replacing perfectly good and operative capacitors with different good and operative capacitors is a very large risk.
Likely the only benefit of the different capacitors will be psychological, so ask yourself if you want to risk harming a wonderful component like your Jotunheim 2 is worth making a change that is almost certainly not going to improve anything.
Best of luck.
Likely the only benefit of the different capacitors will be psychological, so ask yourself if you want to risk harming a wonderful component like your Jotunheim 2 is worth making a change that is almost certainly not going to improve anything.
Best of luck.
Yes, there is a certain risk of not coming to anything, but after a lot of reading and researching I decided to try it for fun, if it really doesn't come to anything, patience.
I've done a lot of repairs on Schiit I know how your PcBs are so it will be a controlled risk here.
Thank you for your concern. 🙂
I've done a lot of repairs on Schiit I know how your PcBs are so it will be a controlled risk here.
Thank you for your concern. 🙂
You have to look at the circuit position of a part first of all. A capacitor either does it's job or doesn't. Between good quality capacitors, you will not hear a difference because there isn't one to hear. Not unless the original part is bad, or really horrible quality (=bad).
Anyway, if you believe what you have been reading, why even ask? Right now you are in an area where your brain will tell you want you want to hear.
Anyway, if you believe what you have been reading, why even ask? Right now you are in an area where your brain will tell you want you want to hear.
as boredom sets in...
Some piddle inside of the chassis,
rather than thumbing through the rack
for the next title track to enjoy.
I would rather be outdoors gardening,
than digging through a well designed
piece of audio gear.
Wisdom is knowing when to leave
well enough alone, especially as
directed by experts.
Some piddle inside of the chassis,
rather than thumbing through the rack
for the next title track to enjoy.
I would rather be outdoors gardening,
than digging through a well designed
piece of audio gear.
Wisdom is knowing when to leave
well enough alone, especially as
directed by experts.
Special note for the "test" mentioned:
High End Audio - Electrolytic capacitors
capacitors "tested" are all same value, all from well known manufacturers, and all BEFORE an LM317 regulator, which will DESTROY any difference, if ever there was one.
Compare it to feeling for say, a woolen pull-over smoothness ... at the other side of a steel plate.
No measuring involved,of course, but "tester" rates and qualifies:
* softness
* tone realism
* dynamic
* definition
* bass level
* bass depth
* space clarity
* voice position
Not surprisingly, he finds Black Gate and Silmic best on all counts ... why does it not surprise me? 🙄
Most others "not interesting" or "not suitable" for Audio. 🙄
Special note about his special test features: he has a bank of switches which he operates himself and of course he knows beforehand which one is he using.
Not exactly double blind testing 😛
High End Audio - Electrolytic capacitors
capacitors "tested" are all same value, all from well known manufacturers, and all BEFORE an LM317 regulator, which will DESTROY any difference, if ever there was one.
Compare it to feeling for say, a woolen pull-over smoothness ... at the other side of a steel plate.
No measuring involved,of course, but "tester" rates and qualifies:
* softness
* tone realism
* dynamic
* definition
* bass level
* bass depth
* space clarity
* voice position
Not surprisingly, he finds Black Gate and Silmic best on all counts ... why does it not surprise me? 🙄
Most others "not interesting" or "not suitable" for Audio. 🙄
Special note about his special test features: he has a bank of switches which he operates himself and of course he knows beforehand which one is he using.
Not exactly double blind testing 😛
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I can see so many issues with that test setup! Never mind things we can't see.
I agree completely with the other points you raised as well. Not exactly a surprise.
I agree completely with the other points you raised as well. Not exactly a surprise.
During my research it became very clear that this is a very controversial subject, some mods claim to notice a lot of differences, others say it is a pure waste of time and money.
I still don't know which side I'm on, will I notice the differences? Yes or No?
But until then I need to see, hear for myself right?
I only brought the subject here because it's fun to share things, I didn't think about the controversial side of it, sorry if the subject is boring and arguable waste of time for some. 🙂
I still don't know which side I'm on, will I notice the differences? Yes or No?
But until then I need to see, hear for myself right?
I only brought the subject here because it's fun to share things, I didn't think about the controversial side of it, sorry if the subject is boring and arguable waste of time for some. 🙂
I am confident you will hear a big difference and you will colorfully describe it here 😀.
Hi MRBond,
Most of us want to help you avoid unnecessary expense and possible damage. Been down this road countless times with actual equipment and people. Have had to repair problems arising from this kind of work many times.
Anyway, some of us are actually trained, have experimented, listened, measured and know how the circuits actually work and what is important. Been down several paths including snubbers and anything else you care to imagine.
It is notable that proponents of capacitor magic normally do not have any real electronics training. It is the same with any subject and field. Audio is just one where untrained people want to become involved and try things already known not to have a positive effect on whatever the process is. People are people and for some reason view experts as having closed minds. Actually, they don't. They tried these things first way before the untrained ever think to.
That 200 MPG carburetor never did exist, and never will. Physics, you can't beat the laws of physics, period. Pretty black and white.
Most of us want to help you avoid unnecessary expense and possible damage. Been down this road countless times with actual equipment and people. Have had to repair problems arising from this kind of work many times.
Anyway, some of us are actually trained, have experimented, listened, measured and know how the circuits actually work and what is important. Been down several paths including snubbers and anything else you care to imagine.
It is notable that proponents of capacitor magic normally do not have any real electronics training. It is the same with any subject and field. Audio is just one where untrained people want to become involved and try things already known not to have a positive effect on whatever the process is. People are people and for some reason view experts as having closed minds. Actually, they don't. They tried these things first way before the untrained ever think to.
That 200 MPG carburetor never did exist, and never will. Physics, you can't beat the laws of physics, period. Pretty black and white.
Bravo Chris!..... for that straight-forward and honest post (#33)!
And as an old service tech, I have long grown weary of the internet's blogs regarding "magical" components.
Because I know it's got some roots planted in BS and grew into a huge tree for others to swing from till eternity.
And as an old service tech, I have long grown weary of the internet's blogs regarding "magical" components.
Because I know it's got some roots planted in BS and grew into a huge tree for others to swing from till eternity.
I must have read more than 1000 pages on this subject in different forums, yes your opinion is shared by many who think exactly like you because they have already tested, experimented and noticed nothing good in these types of mods, not to mention the risks and problems you have well reported, this is real, the problems really exist and the risk of losing the equipment is real, this is a fact.
But I'll test it myself, if nothing comes of it, patience, but if it comes down to something good I'll be happy with my placebo here, I'm longtime diers I like to play without expecting anything but fun, I don't take everything so far Seriously, I'm surprised that my post here generated controversy, it wasn't my intention, sorry.
Two Class A amp
REBEL AMP vs Jot 2
In the above two ftos we have two class A headphone amps.
Rebel is considered better in audio, more musical etc etc.
Both share the same build style (In quotes) the biggest difference between the two amps is the quality of the caps etc components that you can see in RebelAmp and this is my starting point, there's nothing with snake oil, or magic caps , my starting point is based on this observation that devices similar in everything with only different quality of components end up having also different qualities in sound for better or worse, that's a fact, there's no magic here.
REBEL AMP vs Jot 2
In the above two ftos we have two class A headphone amps.
Rebel is considered better in audio, more musical etc etc.
Both share the same build style (In quotes) the biggest difference between the two amps is the quality of the caps etc components that you can see in RebelAmp and this is my starting point, there's nothing with snake oil, or magic caps , my starting point is based on this observation that devices similar in everything with only different quality of components end up having also different qualities in sound for better or worse, that's a fact, there's no magic here.
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If you want the truth, swap the caps on one side of the amp. This will let you do quick A/B comparisons to see if they sound different.
My focus is not on snake oil, magic caps or miraculous power cables, no!!
My focus is on the practical and real observation that two amps absolutely identical in topology, construction etc can sound totally different from each other, if the QUALITY of their components are different between the two devices.
We now know that it is real that a device with better components at a higher level will play better, present itself better, this is not magic, this is not a placebo, this is not a matter of golden ears, this is a real fact.
After a lot of reading and researching I already know the sides that exist in this hobby, there are always those that go together, those that go against it, there are no wrong sides here, only sides that think and act different and not always one side that sees the point from the other's point of view, but rather to push the other's side.
My point is based only on the observation that commercial devices with better components play better, present themselves better, and that's not magic or snake oil, I'm not concerned with the magical world of the cap swapping placebo, but with seeing for myself even as it is a simple device with components that are said to be better, that's all, period.
My focus is on the practical and real observation that two amps absolutely identical in topology, construction etc can sound totally different from each other, if the QUALITY of their components are different between the two devices.
We now know that it is real that a device with better components at a higher level will play better, present itself better, this is not magic, this is not a placebo, this is not a matter of golden ears, this is a real fact.
After a lot of reading and researching I already know the sides that exist in this hobby, there are always those that go together, those that go against it, there are no wrong sides here, only sides that think and act different and not always one side that sees the point from the other's point of view, but rather to push the other's side.
My point is based only on the observation that commercial devices with better components play better, present themselves better, and that's not magic or snake oil, I'm not concerned with the magical world of the cap swapping placebo, but with seeing for myself even as it is a simple device with components that are said to be better, that's all, period.
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