All amps sound the same

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THD measured with steady sine wave is only one parameter. There are many other. This is from an old article. Its a quote about TIM and importance of not to apply too much negative feedback.

"Modern amplifier distortion is controlled by negative feedback, which reduces the distortion in proportion to the feedback. Amplification is cheaply available so the apparent non-linearity can be reduced to arbitrarily low levels by sufficient feedback.

But the feedback signal takes time to get through the amplifier and back to the input negatively to quash the distortion. So when sudden changes (transients) occur there is a period during which the naked amplifier is exposed to the world, and the non-linearity adds intermodulation rogue signals to the original, which are not entirely canceled by the feedback. This is transient intermodulation distortion. What you need is an amplifier sensibly without distortion before applying feedback."

There are two reasons why this is not the correct story. Transient distortion occurs with or without NFB. NFB can suppress TIM just as it suppresses THD and AIM. Read Cordell.

The notion that feedback comes 'too late' is nonsense, transit times are many orders of magnitude faster than the fastest audio signal. Transients in audio are just as band-limited and rise-time limited by the audio bandwidth as any other signal.
Read Putzeys.

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I feel with thread like this that it all has been discussed ad nauseam. While I hate to repeat myself, this was my comment why classA sounds different than classAB.

"While I am no expert, I have even simpler explanation why ClassA is better.
Typical ClassA will have higher distortion, at full power, but the distortion at lower power goes down. Lower power, lower distortion, general trend is towards zero at zero power, off course, noise tend to affect the trend, but you get the idea. Its because nonexistent crossover distortion, since only one driving element is on all the time.
Typical classAB, on the other hand, has best lowest distortion at full power. Nice! Yeah, but who listens at full power? How much time, when you look at waveform, signal spends at full power? Just look at normal musical signal in any good software, I use sony soundforge, signal crosses zero all the time, 1kHz signal crosses zero 2000 times a second. Signal is constantly crossing the zero, as microphone membrane moves back and forth, as air pressure goes from positive to negative. As drum goes back and forth, as guitar string moves back and forth. Always up and down around zero.
Back to typical classAB amp, with extremely low distortion at peak of full power, but then, the distortion starts creeping up, as power goes down. At very low signal level, it can be substantial, and the trend is not towards zero. When signal is crossing from positive to negative, countless time a second, the distortion is high. Signal spends lots of time crossing, so there is a lot of distortion added.
Someone clever, not me, said, who cares how amplifier sounds at 100 watts, if it sounds like crap at 1 watt."
But that’s the trick of AB, no? No crossover distortion for the first few watts.
 
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long time ago I was into technics gear, and off course had many amplifiers
do not remember exact model, 70 watts, super low distortion, nice polish silver front with beautiful fluorescence meter (that's why I bought it), it had clever circuitry to recognize speaker resistance, adopted to power supply voltage accordingly, and so on...
distortion 0.007%
yet it sounded like crap
crap at low level, crap at full power, just plain boring
my rebuilt 2 watts 5% distortion SE EL84 magnavox was clearly superior, pleasure to listen to
I measured technics, nothing wrong with it, just horrible sound
sold it, years later I have seen it again, could not resist, bought it
same story! again the same crapy dry sterile boring sound

I still have magnavox
 
distortion 0.007%
yet it sounded like crap
crap at low level, crap at full power, just plain boring

Distortion 0.007% at 1kHz can sound crap. At full power sound more crap usually because slew rate too low.

You should make slew rate is not the limiting factor so it can cause TIM. You should make IM distortion low or distortion is low for all audio frequency. If you can not reduce distortion low enough (below 0.001%) than you should make harmonic profile of the distortion is monotonic or H2 dominant. To achieve it the easy way is using class A. Class AB also can, but more difficult. If you like using amplifier as effect you can make distortion more than 0.1% with H2 dominant.

300kHz full power bandwidth is very easy to design so slew limiting never happen. Jan Didden built amplifier with 10Mhz full power bandwidth. And Edmond Stuart with Sync08 built amplifier with 0.0001% at all audio frequency.
 
long time ago I was into technics gear, and off course had many amplifiers
do not remember exact model, 70 watts, super low distortion, nice polish silver front with beautiful fluorescence meter (that's why I bought it), it had clever circuitry to recognize speaker resistance, adopted to power supply voltage accordingly, and so on...
distortion 0.007%
yet it sounded like crap
crap at low level, crap at full power, just plain boring
my rebuilt 2 watts 5% distortion SE EL84 magnavox was clearly superior, pleasure to listen to
I measured technics, nothing wrong with it, just horrible sound
sold it, years later I have seen it again, could not resist, bought it
same story! again the same crapy dry sterile boring sound

I still have magnavox

Much the same myself with Crown gear in the 70's. Bought DC300A and IC150 because specs lower then any test equipment available at the time. The DC300A was a dependable long lasting monster but never could sound as good as a decent tube amplifier. The IC-150 is now considered as never sounding very good. Great distortion numbers though. Just shows ears should be the final judge and not numbers.