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tizman said:
Yes. Without knowing what it actually is. Which is my point. What’s your point? Are you trying to equate an understanding of the inner workings of something with understanding its interaction with the physical world? These two things are not the same. I can lie outside on a sunny day and get a tan with 100% predictability without having any understanding of how the sun works. Why do you repeatedly use this false equivalent? It’s not the same thing.
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I'm trying to dispel the false notion that because we don't know everything about gravity, that we don't know anything about gravity. That's the false equivalent I'm arguing against.

The effects of gravity can be explained quite precisely. They're used in everyday calculations.
 
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Bonsai said:
How about gravity assist acceleration of satellites? These wield the curvature of space-time due to gravity to facilitate kinetic acceleration.

Examples: Voyager I, Voyager II and the Parker probe - the first two to gain energy, the last to remove it.
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Taking advantage of the known properties of a phenomenon is not the same as understanding its inner workings. The “we understand gravity” people seem to disagree with this statement, and this makes no sense.
 
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tizman said:
Taking advantage of the known properties of a phenomenon is not the same as understanding its inner workings. The “we understand gravity” people seem to disagree with this statement, and this makes no sense.
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You’re going from the sublime to the ridiculous here. You get a vaccination to protect you from viruses despite the fact we do not know what a virus is ie is it just a complex inanimate molecule or is it actually alive.
 
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Bonsai said:
You’re going from the sublime to the ridiculous here. You get a vaccination to protect you from viruses despite the fact we do not know what a virus is ie is it just a complex inanimate molecule or is it actually alive.
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Ridiculous is implying that understanding the effects that something has on the physical world is the same as understanding its inner workings. Are you seriously saying that these two things are the same? If so, that is ridiculous.
 
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This thread isn’t going anywhere. Time to stop wasting time and build some amps. I’m back in once the DOD releases the next video of a UFO, which should be soon. Try to be nice to each other and try to keep JMFahey in check. I feel like he might snap.
 
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tizman said:
Ridiculous is implying that understanding the effects that something has on the physical world is the same as understanding its inner workings. Are you seriously saying that these two things are the same? If so, that is ridiculous.
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So FTL travel is possible because although we know the effects of relativity we don’t understand the deep, fundamental underlying cause of gravity?
 
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Bonsai said:
So FTL travel is possible because although we know the effects of relativity we don’t understand the deep, fundamental underlying cause of gravity?
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The answer to this is maybe. My point is that we can’t predict what is or isnt possible with the limited model that encompasses relativity. Denying the possibility of something based on the old theories is not smart. Relativity has served us well, but it is 100 or so years old and will not take us into the future. Clinging to it is not moving forward. That said, real scientists aren’t clinging to it and are looking forward, so what happens in this thread is entertaining, but irrelevant. I’m done with this thread for now, and will not post again until there is more “insufficient” evidence from the DoD. Bye bye to all for now, and thanks for the conversations.
 
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