Bear skins, crude woven fibers, mud huts or single storey wood or brick homes and leaves falling from trees inside boiling pots were pre-scientific.
Machine woven cloth, homes of more than 2 or 3 floors, carpenter and even more factory made furniture and grown-properly repeatably fermented and packed tea are all very Scientific, or else.
Home Building Science (Architecture and Civil Engineering) starting already in Assyria, Babylon, Greece, and continuing with those incredible Civil Engineers, the Romans.
Do you think they could flawlessly bring water from 100 miles away or build bridges and roads which TODAY work as intended without Science?
Oh, I see, you probably assume a Flying Saucer fell near Pompeii and they reverse engineered its technology.
And they hid the engine explosion from the Public by calling it a "Volcanic Eruption".
Yes, I see, the Alien explanation covers all angles.
Eyewitnesses are worth s h i t compared to physical proof.
People swear they saw anything, so what?
10 people who saw the exact same event give out 10 different descriptions or versions.
So much for "eyewitnesses", specially of emotionally charged and improbable events.
I got images of Geese flying in V formation, of course, but the pictures showed *lights* which geese do NOT carry, so I didn´t WASTE time and bandwidth posting them, what for?
You seem to have lesser respect about waste, time or bandwidth.
One of his books was authored from prison. it figures. Lot of stuff like his came from comic books and pulp sci-fy, I have a DC comic from 1956 where the Easter Island heads were left by aliens to hide a machine that would save us from fatal collisions. See Otto Binder in the Wiki he was buddies with EV.
As a young kid I purchased both Chariots of the Gods and a skeptical rebuttal to it, Smash Go the Chariots from a used book store called Bearly Read Books in outer SE Portland. I had mistakenly assumed Smash was a companion book rather than a response so it was interesting to read the two concurrently. Anyway, in the end the skeptic turned out to be super-religious and as someone who grew up without any religious instruction whatsoever, I was uncomfortable with the conclusions of either book. I did learn something interesting about skeptics though.
Agreed. Many UFO sceptics don't actually refute anything. They take the most outlandish and extreme ideas of some people and then use those arguments as strawmen to try to tar all believers in the evidence for UFOs. No matter how much one dresses up a scarecrow to make it look like a UFO believer it is not very convincing. People can act pretty silly. A lot of us believe in the preponderance of evidence for them and accept that there is physics available that will explain those observations in the near future. And many of us are working towards discovering those extensions of existing physics laws. New physics does not obliterate old physics. They just extend them under special cases, just like General Relativity extended Isaac Newton's laws. You can still take a rocket to the moon using only physics known by Newton.
I think deep down the reason people go to such extreme ends to deny the huge amount of evidence for UFOs is that it upsets their world view too much.
Lots of this stuff on YouTube as well Scott. IIRC EV was done for fraud - figures! I understand someone also sued him over Chariots of the Gods for plagiarism.
What’s gravity got to do with it, seriously?
I asked a simple question about your sources.
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Comfortable to whom / what, us? Well, of course because this is what we are born into and used to. Some of the beings existed during Jurassic era may not be comfortable with the current condition if they are somehow transported to present time.
Life thrived prior to 65 m.y. ago including air breathing land creatures.
You missed the point.
What does “a rational explanation” mean exactly? Is it an explanation that makes you feel comfortable? Rational according to you?
“All sorts of alien craft completely disobeying fundamental physics is not a rational explanation”. Disobeying “fundamental physics” that can’t explain gravity? Gravity isn’t explained by “fundamental physics”. Does that mean that gravity doesn’t exist? We both know that it does exist because we observe its influence. This is the case despite physics being unable to explain how it works. Sound familiar?
100% agreement. It brings to mind the late John Mack’s quote about “ontological fascism.”
Here you go again about 'gravity'.
You seem to me to be the least qualified to discuss our understanding of gravity, and again, what has that got to do with alien civilizations?
And gravity is fundamental physics, as is time and energy.
A rational explanation for these observations doesn't start with advanced alien civilization visitations and proceed from there. That's not how science works either BTW.
For the record, I'm not saying its impossible, but its highly unlikely given the academic references I've quoted that posit a 1 in 10^9 to 1 in 10^24 chance of advanced civilizations elsewhere in the Milky Way. That puts the odds at best at 200 such civilizations in our galaxy to we are alone here.
As for physics, gravity, energy and time tell us bridging light year distanced require enormous amounts of energy and/or time if these beings travel at FTL - but that requires almost insurmountable engineering issues to overcome in itself.
Take a look at Ethan Segal's (PhD astrophysicist) blog where he discusses some of these issues.
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Just did a little Math, it IS physically possible, even with our current Technology 😱 , we are talking 5.7 Mach.
FWIW Mr Putin has at his disposal hypersonic rockets, both anti aircraft/missile defense and ICBMs doing up to TWENTY Mach 😱
Two down, more to go? With hypersonic weapons already in the field, Russia looks to improve features
But in any case, the main point is another: such speeds inside dense atmosphere like we breath (including the observers 😉 ) would create the Mother of all Sonic booms, breaking windows for miles around.
NONE of that was reported, so there lies an easy to prove Physics contradiction 😎
Funny to see all observations are "silent" 🙄
Again: I couldn´t care less about "Alien technology / New unknown Physics", etc.
Physics regarding OUR OWN atmosphere are very well established and for centuries now, no surprises there.
Boy, you are OBSESSED with Gravity.
What does it have to do with Aliens and UFOs?
People with no clue about Physics and no sense of scale seem to believe that GRAVITY (booooo!!!!) is the main problem for Interplanetary travel.
Probably "because Gravity makes us stick to the Planet Earth" and/or "rockets fight Gravity to take off" which is silly compared to the real problem.
Gravity is significant when flying LOCAL (include NY to London an similar to that), putting satellites in orbit puny 200 km high and even travelling to , not even the nearest planet but our mere Satellite, in our own backyard.
Read this until it sticks:
In ANY star to star travel, taking off and landing is TRIVIAL, the main problem is to accelerate spacecraft MASS to significant, fractions of C speeds.
Who cares about PUNY 1G sticking us to Earth when so called UFOs must be accelerating at 200G or 1000G to match the airspeeds they are CLAIMED to reach?
Again, worrying about Gravity shows having NO CLUE about how flying objects work. UFO or not.
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Quite the opposite. I would love to meet a real alien. Sadly, there are none to be found - the so called evidence is mostyl explained and the rest is poor, and there are no aliens in sight. Or radio contact. Or... anything.
EvD -- blimey, not heard him mentioned for ages! His stuff was a laugh - so plainly wrong.
@Evenharmonics 'garden planet' is not my description of the Earth over the last 40 million years - its James Lovelock's.
You just don’t get it. You are in a box of your own creation. Gravity is just a convenient example used to illustrate the point. The point is that you can’t refute something that you don’t understand. The gaps in our physics are not small ones, and every year we learn more. At some point we may develop a complete and unified theory, but we don’t have one now. Are you saying that we know everything there is to know already? Qualified? Seriously? Since you seem to think you are more “qualified”, here are some questions for you. Do you think that ships that could visit us from vast distances would use the same propulsion methods we do? Kerosene and oxygen perhaps? Do you think that while travelling at speeds faster than the speed of light, that such a ship would not have some way of avoiding the impacts of things in its path? What would happen to a ship travelling at the speed of light if it hit a one gram piece of rock in its path? If we are being visited by aliens coming from interstellar distances, it means, automatically, that they are not travelling in the manner that we do. This also means, automatically, that they know more than we do. The main point is that no one on earth is “qualified”. I’m not saying that there are aliens visiting us, I am saying that we can’t say there aren’t aliens visiting us based upon our current limited understanding of physics.
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