Point being, there have been multiple evolutionary explosions. You've formed an opinion that last 40 m.y. is more unique than others. You are certainly free to form any opinion you want. I was viewing it through more skeptical lens and brought up the perception issue ("Comfortable to whom / what, us?"). If we are assessing the situation, it's only natural that the perception will be centered at our own view.
No one is forcing someone to discuss.
No one claimed the evolutionary explosion subsequent to the KT event was a unique event, since it was proceeded by others following catastrophic events. What was different about the last one was that the Earth cooled markedly, allowing savannah to emerged, and ultimately that allowed humans to emerge. Savanah (grass) has had an outsize impact on the direction evolution has taken the last 40 million years. Prior to the KT event, the planet would not have been a happy place for higher order apes and many of the mammals that have evolved in the cooler climate.
Before that, the earth was primarily jungle, swampland or desert and there had been no ice at the poles for at least 225 MY.
This is why commentators sometimes refer to the emergence of the Earth as a garden planet over the last 40 MY (BTW, the Indian subcontinent moving north across the equator and crashing into South Asia is thought to have also played a role in cooling the planet).
We could get into a discussion about climate change (again), but that is off topic, suffice to say humans evolved in a relatively cool period in the Earth’s history, geologically speaking.
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You have no clue.You are forgetting your bare faith in an incomplete theory of physics. If anyone is a faithful believer, it is you. You can’t see past the obvious gaps that all physicists know exist in the theory, and you apply this partial theory indiscriminately, and with the faith of a true believer. You even ridicule those that don’t follow your faith. He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.
"Faith" basd on experimentation and phisical fact is SCIENCE.
"Faith" based on unbased belief is SUPERSTITION.
How would you know?this what I know...
1. Any alien craft that could visit us would not be affected by G forces. Obviously.
Please show an alien craft FIRST and then we can INSPECT it and ANALIZE how it works.
lacking that, it´s smoke and mirrors.
By the way, you have not showed anthing tangible in over **950 POSTS**😱
WHICH alien crafts?2. These alien craft would not use the sorts of propellants we use. Obviously.
Please show an alien craft FIRST and then we can INSPECT it and ANALIZE how it works.
lacking that, it´s smoke and mirrors.
Light travels a light speed and it reaches here or we wouldn´t see the Stars.3. Travelling at the speed of light or faster, in the conventional sense of moving through space as we do, would require some method to avoid impacts with other objects in space. Obviously.
Alien crafts instead ..... WHICH alien crafts? 🙄
WHICH substantial discussion?Cut-and-paste skeptical boilerplate is not conducive to substantial discussion so no surprise there.
It would require you showing some .... substance .... so where´s your alien craft so we can touch - see - measure - weigh - X ray it?
Things doable to *solid/substantial* objects.
I don't understand why my post was quoted. Are you suggesting that all UAP sightings are the result of military/govt programs, and subsequent disinformation campaigns to keep the programs "unidentified"? If not all, then there was no good reason to quote me, other than to get my attention.From the other thread:
I thought your summary was a good jumping off point for some film recommendations that I realized were maybe not mentioned in this thread.
They are recommended because they are well-made and/or substantive.
They are recommended because they are well-made and/or substantive.
WHICH substantial discussion?
It would require you showing some .... substance .... so where´s your alien craft so we can touch - see - measure - weigh - X ray it?
Things doable to *solid/substantial* objects.
Absolutely begging the question, all caps, boldface etc. That’s a lot of emotionally charged rhetoric, very unbecoming for a man of facts and logic.
"Chariots of the Gods is a 1970 West German documentary film directed by Harald Reinl. It is based on Erich von Däniken's book Chariots of the Gods?, a book that theorizes extraterrestrials impacted early human life. The film was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature. It was the 9th highest grossing film of 1970."
I'm old enough to remember.
I'm much more of an audio person than a video person, so I don't watch much TV or film.
I'm old enough to remember.
I'm much more of an audio person than a video person, so I don't watch much TV or film.
Humans emerging from Savannah is one of the theories.No one claimed the evolutionary explosion subsequent to the KT event was a unique event, since it was proceeded by others following catastrophic events. What was different about the last one was that the Earth cooled markedly, allowing savannah to emerged, and ultimately that allowed humans to emerge.
If you look at the population map of the world, the majority of people live in warmer regions of the globe, not cooler. Thanks to our lack of natural fur.Savanah (grass) has had an outsize impact on the direction evolution has taken the last 40 million years. Prior to the KT event, the planet would not have been a happy place for higher order apes and many of the mammals that have evolved in the cooler climate.
Life flourishes in jungles, especially air breathing warm blooded creatures (apes included).Before that, the earth was primarily jungle, swampland or desert and there had been no ice at the poles for at least 225 MY.
Not off topic but forbidden (by the forum authority) topic. It still is a relevant topic. How can it not be when discussing the emerging of certain species in certain environment.We could get into a discussion about climate change (again), but that is off topic, suffice to say humans evolved in a relatively cool period in the Earth’s history, geologically speaking.
I'm much more of an audio person than a video person, so I don't watch much TV or film.
I’ve watched countless UFO documentaries and stand by my recommendations, however, if I had to whittle it down to a single documentary right now I would suggest The Phenomenon by James Fox. I realize you may never get around to watching it.
Absolutely begging the question, all caps, boldface etc. That’s a lot of emotionally charged rhetoric, very unbecoming for a man of facts and logic.
Just the veneer is fact and logic. The inside is all fear and the orthodoxy it breeds. No surprises, and consistent with his previous posts. Honestly, it’s really pointless to engage. I’m reading out of interest and in order to hear other people’s opinions and insights, and have learned a few things from this thread. However, I come to it with an open mind. Responding to his posts is of little utility. It’s like trying to convince the inquisitor that you are not a heretic. It doesn’t matter if you are or aren’t a heretic because the outcome is the same.
It seems they are here which is crazy weird, but what's equally weird is how the public is dealing with it... It is hardly being discussed.
I have no doubt Diya is the Area 51. Sort of plot to retro engineering an UFO into a Loudspeaker

Seriously, do you know what is the information theory and also the concept of antropormophism ? Same thing than make you beleive God(s) exist and look like you of course or are an entity, have our behavior, have time enough to communicate with us or spy us, just in case we find the perfect Loudspeaker that changes the universe destiny !
Some people are so deeply in a conforet zone they have nothing to think but that sort of plot, BS, etc... It was perfectly theorized decades ago. There is certainly a plot or a manipulation. Just ask yourself how much there is to winn for the launcher of such "informations" ! 🙄
Sorry to tell but it's a superstition and the only good one I know is from Steevie Wonder,
Though who am I to tell you that being myself a Little Grey !😀
Just the veneer is fact and logic. The inside is all fear and the orthodoxy it breeds. No surprises, and consistent with his previous posts. Honestly, it’s really pointless to engage.
No it’s absolutely fine with me; I was patiently waiting for him to produce the Carl Sagan quote so I could complete a Bingo on my skeptic talking point bingo card.
Of course. That's why they keep making them.I’ve watched countless UFO documentaries and stand by my recommendations,
Perhaps if my local library has a copy.however, if I had to whittle it down to a single documentary right now I would suggest The Phenomenon by James Fox. I realize you may never get around to watching it.
Humans emerging from Savannah is one of the theories.
If you look at the population map of the world, the majority of people live in warmer regions of the globe, not cooler. Thanks to our lack of natural fur.
Life flourishes in jungles, especially air breathing warm blooded creatures (apes included).
Not off topic but forbidden (by the forum authority) topic. It still is a relevant topic. How can it not be when discussing the emerging of certain species in certain environment.
The emergence of savannah is one of a a number of interlocking theories - but the change in climate and flora in east Africa that led to the jungles receding is consistently cited as a major vector in the emergence of higher order apes that lead to us.
All humans live in a global climate that is 10C cooler than it was up until 60 million years ago. It’s not likely we would have evolved in those temperatures for some of the reasons mentioned earlier. So citing the fact that a large portion of humanity lives in warmer climates currently seems redundant IMV.
‘Life flourishes in jungles’ - sure it does. But when the jungles shrank back, new ecosystems opened up and life flourished and that ultimately led to us. We began our journey in the jungle but had to leave the jungle to evolve into humans.
I suspect I will keep coming back at you with facts or information that is easily available on the web, and you will simply respond with some of the stuff you’ve written above for the sake of having an argument.
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As I've already mentioned, we were born into it (current climate) and used to it so it is what we consider "right at home". 10C warmer at one region of the globe would mean the other regions that are currently too cold for us or mammals like us would have been warm enough back then.All humans live in a global climate that is 10C cooler than it was up until 60 million years ago. It’s not likely we would have evolved in those temperatures for some of the reasons mentioned earlier. So citing the fact that a large portion of humanity lives in warmer climates currently seems redundant IMV.
I thought you've been citing number of theories, no?‘Life flourishes in jungles’ - sure it does. But when the jungles shrank back, new ecosystems opened up and life flourished and that ultimately led to us. We began our journey in the jungle but had to leave the jungle to evolve into humans.
I suspect I will keep coming back at you with facts or information that is easily available on the web, and you will simply respond with some of the stuff you’ve written above for the sake of having an argument.
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As I've already mentioned, we were born into it (current climate) and used to it so it is what we consider "right at home". 10C warmer at one region of the globe would mean the other regions that are currently too cold for us or mammals like us would have been warm enough back then.
I thought you've been citing number of theories, no?
You’ve missed the point by about 40 million years, and this discussion is now straying into climate change.
I know exactly what happened here. I mention savannah and it’s probably the first you’ve heard about it, so you type in savannah + human evolution into Google and it comes up as one of a number of theories so you come back here and type ‘ . . One of a number of theories’.
Bully for you. You don’t research anything, you Google and argue for the sake of it - otherwise you wouldn’t be making comments like ‘10C warmer in one part of the globe . . . ‘ would you? Be honest now, isn't that’s exactly what’s happened here?
You are missing the point by not reading between the lines.You’ve missed the point by about 40 million years, and this discussion is now straying into climate change.
I've heard about and seen documentary on Savannah & human evolution theory many times. You believe that post 65 m.y. is the ideal condition for intelligent being to emerge on this planet based on theories you've looked up. Fine. I believe that it wasn't the only time when the condition was ideal for intelligent being to emerge on this planet based on theories I've looked up.I know exactly what happened here. I mention savannah and it’s probably the first you’ve heard about it, so you type in savannah + human evolution into Google and it comes up as one of a number of theories so you come back here and type ‘ . . One of a number of theories’.
Bully for you. You don’t research anything, you Google and argue for the sake of it - otherwise you wouldn’t be making comments like ‘10C warmer in one part of the globe . . . ‘ would you? Be honest now, isn't that’s exactly what’s happened here?
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