UFO's- Please help me process

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The politician was Arizona governor Fife Symington. He was also a witness to the Phoenix Lights themselves, which makes his mockery all the more strange.

Perhaps not so strange...

You have to look past the wording and the meanings behind any politician's behavior.
Fife Symington likely was coached by superiors to retract his comments for unknown reasons.
 
So there is a "truth" after all, why even bother with a discussion?
When science can give us a solid and verifiable explanation about how gravity works is when we can make a call on the possibility or impossibility of aliens visiting us. Until then, using science as the explanation for why aliens visiting us is impossible shows the limitations of the commentator, not any real truth.
 
I would change "impossible" to "improbable." And add "or probable."
Commonly called "a level playing field."

Absolutely. Perhaps improbable, but not impossible. However, the universe is vast (obviously) so, the way I see it, improbable is pushing it. Once again, with our limited understanding of physics, and the vastness of the universe, saying impossible shows the limitations of the commentator and no real “truth”.
 
When science can give us a solid and verifiable explanation about how gravity works is when we can make a call on the possibility or impossibility of aliens visiting us. Until then, using science as the explanation for why aliens visiting us is impossible shows the limitations of the commentator, not any real truth.


Let me tell you how gravity works....


Deep inside the earth, and many planets, there's a big old magnet.
The magnetic "Poles" prove that fact, right?
Now, we humans have "iron" in our bodies, that's also a fact.
People with "iron deficiencies" feel sickly.... right?
That's because if they get sicker, they'll float off into space.
Naturally, when people die, we bury them in the ground, so they don't float away.


Now you know! 😱
 
If time stands still at c, doesn't that mean it takes 'no' time to go from point A to point B? So traveling across the universe would be instantaneous. Your neurons, axons, and synapses pass information electrically so to be generous you could say your thoughts travel at c. So if you could travel at c, is the universe not reduced to your imagination?
 
Interesting but:

1) time would be 0 for you, but for the Universe it would run at normal speed.
For a 1 Million light year trip you will arrive seconds after leaving, but 1M years after.
back and forth and you will find a VERY different Earth, to put it mildly.

2) our nerve impulses do NOT travel "electrically" like in a wire but electro-chemically, a very different thing and really at snail pace.

Range is between 0.5 and 120 meters per second, with an average for "most used nerves" (sensitive and motor) around 50 m/s .

Rather than "a wire" think of it like long lines of dominoes falling and propagating a wave.

Back to travelling, not even needing to reach C, not practical for most trips when you need to go away and back or even reach some place within a definite time (at least within your own lifespan) but no obstacle to "spread the seed of Man" all across the Universe, or at least the Galaxy or at least 50-100 Light Years around to begin with "something".

So yes, eventually all Galaxy can be populated by intelligent Life: Us.

What´s a Million years?

The blink of an eye compared to the Universe.
 
Interesting but:

1) time would be 0 for you, but for the Universe it would run at normal speed.
For a 1 Million light year trip you will arrive seconds after leaving, but 1M years after.
back and forth and you will find a VERY different Earth, to put it mildly.

2) our nerve impulses do NOT travel "electrically" like in a wire but electro-chemically, a very different thing and really at snail pace.

Range is between 0.5 and 120 meters per second, with an average for "most used nerves" (sensitive and motor) around 50 m/s .

Rather than "a wire" think of it like long lines of dominoes falling and propagating a wave.

Back to travelling, not even needing to reach C, not practical for most trips when you need to go away and back or even reach some place within a definite time (at least within your own lifespan) but no obstacle to "spread the seed of Man" all across the Universe, or at least the Galaxy or at least 50-100 Light Years around to begin with "something".

So yes, eventually all Galaxy can be populated by intelligent Life: Us.

What´s a Million years?

The blink of an eye compared to the Universe.

Once again, this misses the point entirely. The above presumes that our current understanding of physics is complete and can explain and describe all of reality. This is not the case. What about gravity? How does gravity fit in? When you have a complete theory that fully describes all phenomenon, then you can say what is possible and what is not possible. Until then, you can’t because you don’t know.
 
Once again, this misses the point entirely. The above presumes that our current understanding of physics is complete and can explain and describe all of reality.
WHO said that?
Not me, don´t put words in my mouth, don´t be dishonest.
My view is that Science and Knowledge in general is advancing continuously, is always being improved.
That said, the peak is the point we have reached at any point, by definition.
What about gravity? How does gravity fit in? When you have a complete theory that fully describes all phenomenon, then you can say what is possible and what is not possible.
Well, you have NO fact and experiment based Theory AT ALL
You can not fight established Science, particularly Physics, with random unconnected statements pulled out of a Magician´s hat.
When you have UFO **PROOF** , bring it here.
Until then, you can’t because you don’t know.
I know so far, and am open to advances, all the time, you know NOTHING.
 
Until then, using science as the explanation for why aliens visiting us is impossible.

Who said this? Highly improbable with the evidence presented so far maybe. As it stands not one one piece of hard physical evidence that is open to independent public scrutiny has been presented. So called visitations have been going on for 100's if not 1000's of years but "crashed" vehicles with technology that possibly could be reversed engineered has only happened when there are powerful military presences around to scoop up the evidence and hold it essentially at gun point.

Much of the science in these discussions is fringe science or outright nonsense the proponents of which include folks that think LIGO and LHC are hoaxes, GPS is faked, etc.
 
Much of the science in these discussions is fringe science or outright nonsense the proponents of which include folks that think LIGO and LHC are hoaxes, GPS is faked, etc.


Oh my lord!
GPS is not a real thing?


You mean.....all those people out there don't know where the hell they are, or are going?
I realize that they've turned into APP zombies, dependant on a battery operated device for their existance, is there no hope for a normal world anymore?
 
You should read the query and the answer, before making irrelevant comments.

His answer is based on the current understanding of physics and is in keeping with his previous comments. I said that the current understanding of physics is incomplete, so the conclusions his answer impliy are not certain ones. Perhaps you should read the questions and queries before making irrelevant comments.
 
Who said this? Highly improbable with the evidence presented so far maybe. As it stands not one one piece of hard physical evidence that is open to independent public scrutiny has been presented. So called visitations have been going on for 100's if not 1000's of years but "crashed" vehicles with technology that possibly could be reversed engineered has only happened when there are powerful military presences around to scoop up the evidence and hold it essentially at gun point.

Much of the science in these discussions is fringe science or outright nonsense the proponents of which include folks that think LIGO and LHC are hoaxes, GPS is faked, etc.

Fringe science? Like the current science that is unable to completely explain the physical world? This is the science that is referenced to prove and disprove what is possible and impossible. It’s prudent to keep an open mind when we know we don’t have the whole picture. The outright dismissal of other people’s experiences based on our current incomplete understanding of physics makes no sense. It never has made sense, and it never will. History is full of examples of science orthodoxy hampering and suppressing real progress and understanding.
 
His answer is based on the current understanding of physics and is in keeping with his previous comments. I said that the current understanding of physics is incomplete, so the conclusions his answer impliy are not certain ones. Perhaps you should read the questions and queries before making irrelevant comments.

He answered a simple question, not related to any unknown physics. You jumped to conclusions that were not implied in the question or answer. what you do or don't "believe" about physics was not relevant to the question, or the answer, both of which were framed in current knowledge, and made no allusion to possible future probabilities, or call anything impossible.
 
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