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Already finished reading it. I read fast and have a habit of filtering what I read. I saw your house pictures. Its a brick house, so you'd have good sound. Ours is a flat in a brick building that was built in the 50's, thoroughly insulated outside. Brick walls inside too. Sound is really good.
You have a problem of two windows in the corner. If you are going to have those tall speakers on both sides of the bay window, you are going to have a problem with sound. The old arrangement was also not that good. Best would be, if you can place your speakers next to the long wall, opposite the way you had it before. Only, the TV can't go there.
Looking at the size of your speakers, and the size of your room, I don't think they'd vanish, as the source of the music. Tell us, when you finish fixing your room. I'll be following your thread too.
Already finished reading it. I read fast and have a habit of filtering what I read. I saw your house pictures. Its a brick house, so you'd have good sound. Ours is a flat in a brick building that was built in the 50's, thoroughly insulated outside. Brick walls inside too. Sound is really good.
You have a problem of two windows in the corner. If you are going to have those tall speakers on both sides of the bay window, you are going to have a problem with sound. The old arrangement was also not that good. Best would be, if you can place your speakers next to the long wall, opposite the way you had it before. Only, the TV can't go there.
Looking at the size of your speakers, and the size of your room, I don't think they'd vanish, as the source of the music. Tell us, when you finish fixing your room. I'll be following your thread too.
My 2c thoughts and preferences....
I like omnis.
I think they are especially good at making a higher percentage of tracks listenable.
Their relatively more diffuse sound can 'hide a lot of sin' so to speak, like a good steak sauce.
They make great background music for parties, or dining, or anytime conversation is going on, etc.
And I like them for rear surround channels.
Basically, I like them anytime i want casual room filling sound, that lets one move around, and do other stuff too.
Really, i like them better than stereo, because i hate to be tied to one spot for optimal critical listening.
For optimal critical listening which is 90% of my listening, i prefer a narrower coverage mono speaker. think 90x60 to say 60x40.
Achieves a fairly wide sweet listening area, with greater clarity and dynamics than stereo, 9 times out of 10 ime.
Imaging from stereo just isn't worth the downtick in SQ, compared to spot-on mono, imo.
(and this is coming from a guy who sat riveted between full range electrostats most his audio life, with imaging as the holy grail ! LoL)
I like omnis.
I think they are especially good at making a higher percentage of tracks listenable.
Their relatively more diffuse sound can 'hide a lot of sin' so to speak, like a good steak sauce.
They make great background music for parties, or dining, or anytime conversation is going on, etc.
And I like them for rear surround channels.
Basically, I like them anytime i want casual room filling sound, that lets one move around, and do other stuff too.
Really, i like them better than stereo, because i hate to be tied to one spot for optimal critical listening.
For optimal critical listening which is 90% of my listening, i prefer a narrower coverage mono speaker. think 90x60 to say 60x40.
Achieves a fairly wide sweet listening area, with greater clarity and dynamics than stereo, 9 times out of 10 ime.
Imaging from stereo just isn't worth the downtick in SQ, compared to spot-on mono, imo.
(and this is coming from a guy who sat riveted between full range electrostats most his audio life, with imaging as the holy grail ! LoL)
You wouldn't think they would be able to, but they do...
I don't expect wildly different results. Some of the reviews linked in the first post of that big thread are of members of this forum, that came by for a listen. They should be less biased than I am
I know quite a lot about rooms and buildings.
Let's wait until you put the speakers back. If they will be in the old place, the 2 speakers would sound differently. Considering the width of the room, the sound won't be that good. You'd need at least 6ms distance from the plane of the speakers to get the hang of the sound. Maybe, even 6ms is not enough.
I like the workmanship, I really do.
Following this threat I noticed 2 categories of listening habits:
1. focused on details: musicians shuffle their feet or turn pages, the bell really hitting the head, or follow single instruments, (musicians do that).
2. focused on space: soundstage, loudspeakers disappear, flowing inside the music, 3-dimensional, beyond the wall
We can switch from one mode to the other, but prefer one and judge the speakers more from this viewpoint.
I belong to the second category, it is more relaxing, more emotion less mind.
1. focused on details: musicians shuffle their feet or turn pages, the bell really hitting the head, or follow single instruments, (musicians do that).
2. focused on space: soundstage, loudspeakers disappear, flowing inside the music, 3-dimensional, beyond the wall
We can switch from one mode to the other, but prefer one and judge the speakers more from this viewpoint.
I belong to the second category, it is more relaxing, more emotion less mind.
I am a big fan of headphones, i like the purity / clarity they offer, i have huge problem how loudspeakers works with the room, that just kills the clarity of the sound. That i think can be fixed but only with massiv room treatments. My solution so far is to sit very close to the speakers and well away from walls
I do both 1 and 2 at the same time. I like close mic. recordings because the full harmonic structure of the instruments doesn't get lost in a sonic haze of confusion. I do have some recordings where 1 and 2 both exist simultaneously.
very interesting, please tell more about those and how you have them setup
Hi celef,
Let me point you to a recent post i made in another thread...it kinda explains some of what i've been doing..https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/363667-favorite-horn-cd-combos-3.html#post6433507
Setup is the easiest possible. With mono, you simply put the speaker anywhere you want and see how it sounds. It's almost like having a single floodlight to illuminate your room. Where do you want the light?
Biggest problem for me with that though, is i always set my main speaker which is invariably large itself, on top of a big dual 18" PPSL sub.
So i don't have complete freedom to place anywhere for best sound ....just due to the pain in moving stuff around....
Best solution is to take it all outdoors and see what it really sounds like, which i hope is like the clarity of headphones, but with balls made of bass and dynamics.
Heck yeah !
For best listening i hope it was clear i view omni as a purposeful, good sounding compromise,
good for many things, but clearly not for best sound.
Yesterday, I found an interesting video on different thinking of speakers. Anyone heard of Takeshi Teragaki?
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More interesting is what he was showing about the bent paper making music, without the standard pistonic coil.
Not exactly DMLs as such, but the idea is the more or less same, a vibrating surface and certain divisions. Here's how they work.
And, how they are made.
More interesting is what he was showing about the bent paper making music, without the standard pistonic coil.
Not exactly DMLs as such, but the idea is the more or less same, a vibrating surface and certain divisions. Here's how they work.
And, how they are made.
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Thanks to all who have posted, I have followed his thread with some interest. For my TV set-up I have BIC DV52si speakers and a BIC sub woofer. I have on several occasions blown a speaker and was trying to sort out how to later fit my 5" Karlsons into the configuration. The Karlsons are a bit too tall but could better fit my set-up if laid on their backs. John Karlson actually suggested upward firing in some of his patent illustrations.
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