Just to clarify, I really should have said "the throat-side of the driver diaphragm located at S3" rather than simply "the driver located at S3".
The mouth-side of the driver diaphragm is of course located at S3, in a TH1 design.
Sorry for any confusion caused
.the confusion stimulates thinking and is a big help either way! Asking someone to see the ideas I’m a generic drawing isn’t really fair. but your a busy guy. don’t wanna abuse this privilege...
I stuck it in TH or TH1 to create freedom down stream in the expanded area L45 or L45 and L34. I think I lost the focus in the details around the driver and throat ported entry in front of the actual front of the cone.. there’s a 235 cm cylinder in front of it and then it’s kinda tricky to connect it to the remaining areas, and bisect it all with another source of pressure and soubd(Tapped motor side).
there’s other ways to sneak this into the sim but some are kinda in question by people already using this or it’s working out as a compromised sim. it’s easier if I break it down into a qw pipe, then another. But with the added motor again to split the two? there’s a lot to look at and why a driver might get outta shape if not careful with ‘2 qw paths in series ‘ and the resulting Fb. So it’s boiled down to just this narrow idea? I wanna sneak L12 in as another area. But it’s in the confusion too..
It just needs to be fair to the sim in sticking it into those places. my fault is confusion, you’re only helping me confuse myself because I can simulate cabinets to find answers. And then the results create the next thing to explore. This is a thing... but strangely it’s a cure to more problems that are far beyond a perfect horn speaker. that’s an added bonus, but I think there’s science to learn here and that’s huge. A cyber space laboratory lives inside HR. And people can share things through it. It’s a language and a culture. It’s also making the world a better place and whoever is in charge has created something bigger then I think was ever anticipated or thought...? I dunno, but 1,500,000 posts are only because this forum is a nice little corner of the world. that would be at heady another zero at the end, to the right, if it had proportional exposure to its use and smiles per capita created throughout am very expanding wave firm it creates amibdmgat people and simulates for the speakers they might make.
This is real. And it’s eoic.
I stuck it in TH or TH1 to create freedom down stream in the expanded area L45 or L45 and L34. I think I lost the focus in the details around the driver and throat ported entry in front of the actual front of the cone.. there’s a 235 cm cylinder in front of it and then it’s kinda tricky to connect it to the remaining areas, and bisect it all with another source of pressure and soubd(Tapped motor side).
there’s other ways to sneak this into the sim but some are kinda in question by people already using this or it’s working out as a compromised sim. it’s easier if I break it down into a qw pipe, then another. But with the added motor again to split the two? there’s a lot to look at and why a driver might get outta shape if not careful with ‘2 qw paths in series ‘ and the resulting Fb. So it’s boiled down to just this narrow idea? I wanna sneak L12 in as another area. But it’s in the confusion too..
It just needs to be fair to the sim in sticking it into those places. my fault is confusion, you’re only helping me confuse myself because I can simulate cabinets to find answers. And then the results create the next thing to explore. This is a thing... but strangely it’s a cure to more problems that are far beyond a perfect horn speaker. that’s an added bonus, but I think there’s science to learn here and that’s huge. A cyber space laboratory lives inside HR. And people can share things through it. It’s a language and a culture. It’s also making the world a better place and whoever is in charge has created something bigger then I think was ever anticipated or thought...? I dunno, but 1,500,000 posts are only because this forum is a nice little corner of the world. that would be at heady another zero at the end, to the right, if it had proportional exposure to its use and smiles per capita created throughout am very expanding wave firm it creates amibdmgat people and simulates for the speakers they might make.
This is real. And it’s eoic.
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There’s a lot to get confusing here. So I hope I’m
Not shooting my foot by drawing more. but ignore it all and just imagine a common CSA that’s not making the last half confusing. or, ignore the pink? I don’t even need it in the sim actually, but it’s there in case it fits as L12 vs L12 0.1 without it.
I don’t know exactly what I’m Doing here(as a description of intended design goal. That’s too many things to make labels for ? , but it’s very intersting while I pretend it’s sorta close to the simmed points I slightly have off as the S/L or intentions.(?) People ask if it’s a voight pipe? It it’s a roar? A transflex with a long mouth, a BIB with A regurgitating pipe loop?? I can’t say all that. It’s just a simple qw pipe then another motor and then a big flare in the same length but not exactly. A bit shorter and a lot wider.. in a the same way I used to make a smart phone louder to fill the garage with music, and add a wave guide. or play a dusersidooi and feel a back wave in the mouth and even into the throat if not careful.? the lungs and diaphragm are the long Skinny pipe and ‘ pump’. The mouth and squeezing the cheeks and lips make the second motor and the narrowing of CSA it creates there as displaced volume between the pole vents narrow. I cant really sim That, I don’t actually try... but the analogy might help explain if I’m off in the S1/2/3/4/5, and sneaking VTC (Ap1)as a long qw pipe between things?
Not shooting my foot by drawing more. but ignore it all and just imagine a common CSA that’s not making the last half confusing. or, ignore the pink? I don’t even need it in the sim actually, but it’s there in case it fits as L12 vs L12 0.1 without it.
I don’t know exactly what I’m Doing here(as a description of intended design goal. That’s too many things to make labels for ? , but it’s very intersting while I pretend it’s sorta close to the simmed points I slightly have off as the S/L or intentions.(?) People ask if it’s a voight pipe? It it’s a roar? A transflex with a long mouth, a BIB with A regurgitating pipe loop?? I can’t say all that. It’s just a simple qw pipe then another motor and then a big flare in the same length but not exactly. A bit shorter and a lot wider.. in a the same way I used to make a smart phone louder to fill the garage with music, and add a wave guide. or play a dusersidooi and feel a back wave in the mouth and even into the throat if not careful.? the lungs and diaphragm are the long Skinny pipe and ‘ pump’. The mouth and squeezing the cheeks and lips make the second motor and the narrowing of CSA it creates there as displaced volume between the pole vents narrow. I cant really sim That, I don’t actually try... but the analogy might help explain if I’m off in the S1/2/3/4/5, and sneaking VTC (Ap1)as a long qw pipe between things?
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This might help too. but if S1/2/3/4/5 are here and VTc/Ap1 or just VTC it’s?
Then L45 is green. Vtc is orange and where they connect is a detail I can adjust and make it work? is it a rear vented chamber of the orange exits are to the far right ? Already a success and dead nuts in sim vs RTA. If as pictured and new to my wooden collection I’m using throat entry and chamber in a way in starting to question if it’s okay in this way, or needs a bit of a shuffle to be fair in the sim?
Then L45 is green. Vtc is orange and where they connect is a detail I can adjust and make it work? is it a rear vented chamber of the orange exits are to the far right ? Already a success and dead nuts in sim vs RTA. If as pictured and new to my wooden collection I’m using throat entry and chamber in a way in starting to question if it’s okay in this way, or needs a bit of a shuffle to be fair in the sim?
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Your pic is EXACTLY what I was trying to describe that Ap1 & Lp need to be OD in order to start the 1st 2 segments of a 6 segment TH.
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Just to clarify - views, not posts
.Even if there were 100 posts per day 365 days of the year, it would take more than 40 years to reach 1.5 million
.Can you Draw it? But in a couple useful versions for TH or TH1? I think this helps a lot of people using TH for BP6 sims and bp8 morphs, etc..and I wish I woulda asked you
everyone I asked got too tripped up or even stuck in the details.. pretty much just referred to alternate configuration paraflex instead of a rear vented version and left out the slight offset driver in a VTC with an L12 or not. But if the Ap1 can somehow be used (it’s described as but missing a 90 degree pivot if I’m not mistaken?) to seperate the driver entry.... there’s 17cm of basket/flange radius and it adds up in sound toward the resulting response of a lot of length is L45? nickel and dime stuff, but lots of those add up to $20.David has me squared away now, but I left the ‘L12’ usefulness or possibility of it out of the ‘want to’ part of me being increasingly confusing and confused.
it works fine and there’s stuffing to sim in many places. But that absorber stub idea was tainted with fun and working with the red segments made it work as the size became ideal (CSA) .
Just to clarify - views, not posts
Even if there were 100 posts per day 365 days of the year, it would take more than 40 years to reach 1.5 million
I gotta hurry and come up with more long excessively worded descriptions of redundant ideas with cartoon drawing then! I’m
Falling behind !
....thats a nice piece of clairvoince if it exists in diy speakers.... jumping into the 1/4 wavepath and walking thru walls in your portable mini timemachine. you just moved the descirptive clock ahead by an argueably acceptable margin of slight in space and time, but without collatoral damage to the future.
you are george jetson or buck rogers, but youre ahero.
you are full of sneaky good ideas, sir! thats a game changer for that whole alignment potential for some very popular versions of .... brilliant
If DMB wants to get really jiggly with it, TH3 could be:
Atc & Vtc = OD S1-S2.
Ap1 & Lp = OD S2-S3.
S1-S2 = S3-S4.
S2-S3 = S4-S5.
S3-S4 = S5-S6.
S4-S5 = S6-S7.
Or, TH4:
Atc & Vtc = OD S1-S3 = 2 segments.
Ap1 & Lp = OD S3-S5 = 2 segments.
S1-S2 = S5-S6.
S2-S3 = S6-S7.
S3-S4 = S7-S8.
S4-S5 = S8-S9.
Atc & Vtc = OD S1-S2.
Ap1 & Lp = OD S2-S3.
S1-S2 = S3-S4.
S2-S3 = S4-S5.
S3-S4 = S5-S6.
S4-S5 = S6-S7.
Or, TH4:
Atc & Vtc = OD S1-S3 = 2 segments.
Ap1 & Lp = OD S3-S5 = 2 segments.
S1-S2 = S5-S6.
S2-S3 = S6-S7.
S3-S4 = S7-S8.
S4-S5 = S8-S9.
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the use of offset chambers and a bit off shuffle in the ways they can be arranged in the big picture is huge. only thing i see is theres a give for the take in there somewhere to maintain the various existing mechanisms and features.. and sims ability to work within its limits...
if we understood some of the maths used it might seem easier to be more self policing of our own specific uses of mistaken assumptions or missed opportunity? theres a laboratory in there. its very exciting to be in such a freedom of choice and exploring anything chronologically and in distanve over it with change... deconstructing i real time in wizard is an gigantic awesome learning tool, making ottle video clips of a chamber disappearing, or CSA shrink/grow... etc... priceless!
ROAR and PARAflex folks would be lovin the twists in the plot and new chapters to seek out in that. A huge and exciting impact on those guys and tapped pipe/horn would be the holy grail. Those look like youve put some thinking into this... you have a plan, and i bet its a special cabinet of sorts
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