Vishay naked foils are laser trimmed glass substrate, did you bother following the link?
Of course they don't burn in, no resistor does. It was a laser joke.
Of course they don't burn in, no resistor does. It was a laser joke.
As perhaps the only human here who has listened to dale rn60 vs takman Rey back to back in the same circuit I would have to say “resistors are no big deal”. Probably the variation in the quality of juice from my mains or the fact that there was a full moon the day before or the fact that I took a Claritin (allergy medicine) that day probably had a greater effect.
And for those watching this thread...fancy parts are nice. But I find greater enjoyment spending the money on bigger changes like topology, feedback, active devices, etc. and having the tools to measure what you are hearing (harmonic content, etc) certainly helps to figure out what you like. I don’t have sophisticated equipment but even a sound card can work.
In the end, you may like what you have resisted trying. You maybe prefer super clean, few harmonics or you may like heavy 2nd harmonics and lots of distortion. A lot of this depends on the music you listen to. But to choose a single component or topology or whatever to endlessly mod really limits your exposure to sounds you may like.
And for those watching this thread...fancy parts are nice. But I find greater enjoyment spending the money on bigger changes like topology, feedback, active devices, etc. and having the tools to measure what you are hearing (harmonic content, etc) certainly helps to figure out what you like. I don’t have sophisticated equipment but even a sound card can work.
In the end, you may like what you have resisted trying. You maybe prefer super clean, few harmonics or you may like heavy 2nd harmonics and lots of distortion. A lot of this depends on the music you listen to. But to choose a single component or topology or whatever to endlessly mod really limits your exposure to sounds you may like.
we are light years apart in audio philosophy.
I've stated my position numerous x's here.
Which type res employed makes a massive soundstage dif. = ain't no nuance, we are speaking mega upgrade.
I've stated my position numerous x's here.
Which type res employed makes a massive soundstage dif. = ain't no nuance, we are speaking mega upgrade.
I read the datasheet for Takman and my question is what defines audio grade? Is there a spec or standard to read up on?
@astouffer
I think it's largely a matter of circular marketing.
Sellers market products as "audio grade" and audio types buy them because they are "audio grade". We're a market. What's more, we're an enthusiastic market conditioned not to be easily satisfied. This is leveraged off our love of music and, more particularly, performance.
But of course that's not the whole story.
I think it's largely a matter of circular marketing.
Sellers market products as "audio grade" and audio types buy them because they are "audio grade". We're a market. What's more, we're an enthusiastic market conditioned not to be easily satisfied. This is leveraged off our love of music and, more particularly, performance.
But of course that's not the whole story.
But of course that's not the whole story.
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I can easily agree about <,snakeoil prop>> heavily used means to sucker in audio-pools, past few decades.
But in this particular case,, as i was reading the Takman descip/how they made the finally product<<El Rey>> I felt a sure confidence tis was THE res I was searching for,.
and the <<proof>> is in the acutal music , Faith Hill, Sophie Milman, Elvis Costello, Gatemouth Brown.
The music has now risen to a high(er) fidelity.
If my testimony seems incredulous to some here,,well not all are called to faith, as Jesus confirms to us in His Word.
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I can easily agree about <,snakeoil prop>> heavily used means to sucker in audio-pools, past few decades.
But in this particular case,, as i was reading the Takman descip/how they made the finally product<<El Rey>> I felt a sure confidence tis was THE res I was searching for,.
and the <<proof>> is in the acutal music , Faith Hill, Sophie Milman, Elvis Costello, Gatemouth Brown.
The music has now risen to a high(er) fidelity.
If my testimony seems incredulous to some here,,well not all are called to faith, as Jesus confirms to us in His Word.
I read the datasheet for Takman and my question is what defines audio grade? Is there a spec or standard to read up on?
^^^
Hopefully I answered above.
Here is how I interpreted Takman's usage of <<audio grade>
Purity, natural, open, more dimensionality/layering of instruments/ non coloring.
Takman delivered according to their <boastful> claims.
^^^
Hopefully I answered above.
Here is how I interpreted Takman's usage of <<audio grade>
Purity, natural, open, more dimensionality/layering of instruments/ non coloring.
Takman delivered according to their <boastful> claims.
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Yeah I know it was a bit on the edge of forum rules,,,I'll scratch the above.
ahhh I see EDIT time has a deadline.
can not scrach the faith thing.
just over look my indiscretion
ahhh I see EDIT time has a deadline.
can not scrach the faith thing.
just over look my indiscretion
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A good question.
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= neutral, open, near zero distortion. = Miraculously musical = worth their weigh in Gold.
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= neutral, open, near zero distortion. = Miraculously musical = worth their weigh in Gold.
Random fact:
Peter Lymburner Robertson, the perfecter of the square-head screwdriver and matching screws (which oddly enough bear his name) also wrote a book called "The Remedy" which, in part, argued for the gold standard.
Peter Lymburner Robertson, the perfecter of the square-head screwdriver and matching screws (which oddly enough bear his name) also wrote a book called "The Remedy" which, in part, argued for the gold standard.
A Gold Standard then?
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Unless someone wishes to ship me a pair of Audio Note copper caps or Silver caps. I really can not say which res is superior.
AN Tant Copper cap @$15
AN Tant Silver cap @ $55.
Considering Tkman offers a res @ $1.50 and I am finding the Jadis DPL has really opened up the musis as <<Gorgeous>, my search is over.
AN offers a full line of values as does Takman a full line of nearly every value you could wish for.
See link below...
<<annoying>>, now you can believe his opinion, and you have a free will to decide not to believe Oilmaster Aug16,2016.
He never does give us a follow up on his testing of Takman Rey Metal.
Q: Are Takman <Rey>, the King of Res or not? This is what we must decide
Richard Gray is installing 2.2k Rey's in the morning,, he is taking 1 res section at a time,, this is the way he works,
Will report on the 2,2k's tomorrow
Some feedback on 0.5W AudioNote Tantalum resistors for amp rebuild | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo Discussion Forums
^^^
Unless someone wishes to ship me a pair of Audio Note copper caps or Silver caps. I really can not say which res is superior.
AN Tant Copper cap @$15
AN Tant Silver cap @ $55.
Considering Tkman offers a res @ $1.50 and I am finding the Jadis DPL has really opened up the musis as <<Gorgeous>, my search is over.
AN offers a full line of values as does Takman a full line of nearly every value you could wish for.
See link below...
<<annoying>>, now you can believe his opinion, and you have a free will to decide not to believe Oilmaster Aug16,2016.
He never does give us a follow up on his testing of Takman Rey Metal.
Q: Are Takman <Rey>, the King of Res or not? This is what we must decide
Richard Gray is installing 2.2k Rey's in the morning,, he is taking 1 res section at a time,, this is the way he works,
Will report on the 2,2k's tomorrow
Some feedback on 0.5W AudioNote Tantalum resistors for amp rebuild | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo Discussion Forums
I think he was asking the manufacture's standard. Is this what they say? This sounds pretty lame for a parts' manufacture's standard...
There is a tumor inside DIY Audio.
So far, it stays in one piece, there´s only 4 or 5 members affected (notice it´s always the same few ones talking to each other ) and does not metastasize into more and more dead end flawed threads such as this one.
No new input, no new data added, just the same old boring phrases repeated over and over and over, echoed and fed back by the other 4 or 5 participants in this game.
The day more and more appear and thrive, it will be time to say goodbye to this Forum.
Pity, because there is some cool and useful information, but it´s being slowly obliterated by the white noise.
So far, it stays in one piece, there´s only 4 or 5 members affected (notice it´s always the same few ones talking to each other ) and does not metastasize into more and more dead end flawed threads such as this one.
No new input, no new data added, just the same old boring phrases repeated over and over and over, echoed and fed back by the other 4 or 5 participants in this game.
The day more and more appear and thrive, it will be time to say goodbye to this Forum.
Pity, because there is some cool and useful information, but it´s being slowly obliterated by the white noise.
Then do your self and others a favor and just ignore the parts that make you so upset. You can preach in your own preffered choir.
As long as the term audio is involved it means that human perception is involved, which is an entirely subjective experience.
I had been a staunch believer that there is no way a circuit can sound different after 'burn-in'. Or that a bunch of resistors can affect the way something sounds. Or even more so, a damn interconnect. Etc etc.
Until i invested sometime to do my own recordings and use my own ears to investigate those matters. I've already explained the method i use in previous posts.
I was astonished to realise that ...well, all those years taking the **** on other people with a different opinion, was not the right thing..
As long as the term audio is involved it means that human perception is involved, which is an entirely subjective experience.
I had been a staunch believer that there is no way a circuit can sound different after 'burn-in'. Or that a bunch of resistors can affect the way something sounds. Or even more so, a damn interconnect. Etc etc.
Until i invested sometime to do my own recordings and use my own ears to investigate those matters. I've already explained the method i use in previous posts.
I was astonished to realise that ...well, all those years taking the **** on other people with a different opinion, was not the right thing..
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You are absolutely right. In this circle of golden ears audio snobs any knowledgable people who use test equipment to verify claims -
are party poopers😛
are party poopers😛
I had been a staunch believer that there is no way a circuit can sound different after 'burn-in'. Or that a bunch of resistors can affect the way something sounds. Or even more so, a damn interconnect. Etc etc.
^^^
I wasa long time <<interconnect denier>> that is to say,, a interconnect = any other.
So 6 months ago I had some cash to play with on upgrades,,and cked out making my own.
The tech guy who suggested Zfoils, also suggested he could build me a <,superior interconnect>> I decided on the $17 ft cable off Sonic Crafts,,and my own pure copper Vborg RCA's.
= Cost total $300+.
Results: a disater. The Radio Shak/chinese generic $5 RCA cord were superior.
So I almost gave up, til I reserach hours and hours on ebay offerigs,,Most of the silver inter's were over $200++,,so that was nota option,...til I almost gave up again,,as <<luck>. would have it, persistence paid off, BIG TIME,,I hit on <<navships>> Ebay store.
Order 1 set, immediately I noted a nice sonic gain, I was sold, Order the 2nd set and again, further gains. Now I used his high tech silver plated copper for all 3 power cords, and ran navs silvercopper in the Thors speakers and also the speaker cable from amp to Thors.
I'ma skeptic on some things, unless I make the actual experience.
Mundorf's caps have proven their wortyh.
The last discovery were these Takman's, which intutively I had the hunch the descrpit was not a lie, <<audio grade>
But for some reason I wanted to experiment with the Zfoils, as per the YT video claiming the Zfoils = <<the real deal>>
. Anyway, I am not tech geek like you guys,,my purpose is only to throw out recent experiments/experiences on the WW Inet,,and let the reader make up his own mind.
If we all can share info ina civil EDU manner, we can take high fidelity audio into this 21st C and mabe beyond.
Footnote: I am old school, I love tube cd players,,but now with this DAC craze going on, = pushing high fidelity tube cd players sales down to extinction.
I fear the future of high quality cd players,,
But then who would have EVER thought the phono player would rebound into $$$$$$$ priced super futuristic models??
LP will not work for me as i have completed by 20th C classical collection, most of which is not on LP.
^^^
I wasa long time <<interconnect denier>> that is to say,, a interconnect = any other.
So 6 months ago I had some cash to play with on upgrades,,and cked out making my own.
The tech guy who suggested Zfoils, also suggested he could build me a <,superior interconnect>> I decided on the $17 ft cable off Sonic Crafts,,and my own pure copper Vborg RCA's.
= Cost total $300+.
Results: a disater. The Radio Shak/chinese generic $5 RCA cord were superior.
So I almost gave up, til I reserach hours and hours on ebay offerigs,,Most of the silver inter's were over $200++,,so that was nota option,...til I almost gave up again,,as <<luck>. would have it, persistence paid off, BIG TIME,,I hit on <<navships>> Ebay store.
Order 1 set, immediately I noted a nice sonic gain, I was sold, Order the 2nd set and again, further gains. Now I used his high tech silver plated copper for all 3 power cords, and ran navs silvercopper in the Thors speakers and also the speaker cable from amp to Thors.
I'ma skeptic on some things, unless I make the actual experience.
Mundorf's caps have proven their wortyh.
The last discovery were these Takman's, which intutively I had the hunch the descrpit was not a lie, <<audio grade>
But for some reason I wanted to experiment with the Zfoils, as per the YT video claiming the Zfoils = <<the real deal>>
. Anyway, I am not tech geek like you guys,,my purpose is only to throw out recent experiments/experiences on the WW Inet,,and let the reader make up his own mind.
If we all can share info ina civil EDU manner, we can take high fidelity audio into this 21st C and mabe beyond.
Footnote: I am old school, I love tube cd players,,but now with this DAC craze going on, = pushing high fidelity tube cd players sales down to extinction.
I fear the future of high quality cd players,,
But then who would have EVER thought the phono player would rebound into $$$$$$$ priced super futuristic models??
LP will not work for me as i have completed by 20th C classical collection, most of which is not on LP.
'burn-in' is most probably the ears are burning in, not the equipments, and its process can't be measured. The reason why many objectivists deny 'burn-in' process is they want to believe human perception is static like measuring instruments. Human perception itself is very distorted, biased and dynamic. Even the paint color of resisters may affect the hearing, and I don't think we can make fool of it. If one believes his hearing is totally static, never ever biased by anything, that only probably means his hearing is totally affected by his "static" dogmas.