The Black Hole......

Again, we have someone’s opinion, not facts or measurements. Ditto comments about other people’s systems.

Like the Topping DAC discussion here a few months ago. Trashed by some but actually not bad given it’s price. Oh, and no goop required either.

Anyway, I will not convince those that don’t want to believe That the numbers are a good indicator of quality.
 
Interesting to see as many audiophiles also sound to be automobile-philes as well.

I wonder if there's analogies to "cables" amongst the car enthusiasts? Wheel-tire combos? Titanium drive shafts? Synthetic oil in the manual tranny? There's GOT to be similar discussions around "analog vs digital" aspiration and fuel delivery.

I just see several folks here having a lot more experience than I in both audio - and cars!

In both contexts, certainly a lot of time and money can be unloaded in the pursuit of excellence. Regarding engines, I've heard it said you simply pick the "stage" of the tuning you want to do - 1, 2, or 3 - and there's a corresponding price for each.

Too bad in audio we dont have "stages", understood as what that means amongst those into such things. Then we could say so 'n so has a stage 3 vinyl playback - and everyone would know pretty much what they got going on.
 
I think they sold it to BMW (‘the English patient’ is what the Germans called Rover). It cost the BMW CEO his job (can’t remember his name).


Yes BMW bought it for access to the Range Rover 4WD smarts and the japanese production methods. Sadly only one factory had the benefits of the honda tie up (which is where the mini factory is now) and the rest were dogs from the 70s.

Bernd the unpronounceable (Pischetsrieder is unparsable to the average english brain likeEichhörnchen) was eventually pushed out, but not before he had his own mclaren F1 (which he crashed) and then he went to VW and that turned out well 🙂.



But at the time almost everyone had a company Rover at BAE.
 
I wonder if there's analogies to "cables" amongst the car enthusiasts? Wheel-tire combos? Titanium drive shafts? Synthetic oil in the manual tranny? There's GOT to be similar discussions around "analog vs digital" aspiration and fuel delivery.


If anything its worse. Esp when you can replace body panels with carbon fibre to save weight and then you see lardy mcpie face harping on about saving 10kg when he is 30kg over his idea weight 😀
 
If anything its worse. Esp when you can replace body panels with carbon fibre to save weight and then you see lardy mcpie face harping on about saving 10kg when he is 30kg over his idea weight 😀

when I raced dirtbikes I basically had a 'works' bike by the time I was done with them, even cryoed the trans gears and had them coated with the latest greatest.
but weight savings with titanium bits and carbon fiber skid plates etc gets expensive but really made a difference especially in reciprocating parts. engine and suspension. everyone would say just lose 10 lbs or take a good dump b4 the race.....nope definitely not the same.
 
when I raced dirtbikes I basically had a 'works' bike by the time I was done with them,


Racing is very different from heading down the pub to show off your blingy CF parts and doing the odd track day! I remember one loud mouth who spent silly amounts of money building the ultimate engine for his Caterham (Lotus 7). £12k later he had an 1800cc engine that revved to 8500RPM and produced 220BHP (in a 500kg car). Before a track day he replaced the alternator belt as it was slipping and didn't tighten it properly. It came off and took out the cam belt on an interference fit engine. Not one single part could be salvaged. Of course he had spent so much on this engine he couldn't afford a rebuilt. Silly twonk.
 
Well Associate professor. He appears to be more an Acoustics guy than EE though.

I wonder why it should matter if Howard is more an Acoustics guy than EE. Could you elaborate a bit? 🙂

@ Mark Johnson,

I think single blind testing is standard procedure with violins & competitions between violin-makers. Certainly it is with orchestra auditions.

As usual it depends, the violin studies Fritz et al. did to examine the "Stradivarius myth" were done mainly double blind.