I've already said I won't use the word 'delusion' again so is it OK to substitute 'perceptual bias' ?
Objectivists have perceptual biasses just like everyone else. 'Objectivist' is only a label applied to a certain grouping of people. Not all apply that label to themselves.
Well, quite.
Sure - name the objectivist and if there's any evidence of a perceptual bias on this thread I'll do my best to point it out.
Doesn't that simply redefine "objectivist" as "one who is never wrong"? Certainly descriptive of a personality type though.
There is such a thing as objective tinnitus, that other people can also hear, it's very rare, so probably what you get
Only joking wid ya. Mine is subjective, I would call it a delusionThis is called "passing the buck" You are making the claim. You provide the evidence.
If you look back many pages @soundbloke denied my experience. That's a perceptual bias. Do you want the specific post where he did that?
Calling it 'wrong' would be a category error. Objectivists don't apply it to their own claims, just to other people's. Therefore its a perceptual distortion.
Certainly a no win situation, blind or sighted not hearing any difference makes one a liar I guess.
Try reading a few pages of DAC reviews on Head-Fi for the subjectivist perspective, I mean if we are all in one tribe or the other.
So everyone who disagrees with you is an "objectivist".
Is it possible that @soundbloke is being just as "subjective" as you, and that's why you have a problem with what he says?
When they're unaware of of their own perceptual biases? When they're deluded about the evidence? Steven Jay Gould's analysis in Boca's Brain might be a valid example, and given current research on his analysis a valid example on two levels.
The objectivity claim isn't a magic shield.
Nope. What reasoning did you use to reach this conclusion?
False premise - I have no problems at all with what he says. Its just often what he says doesn't correspond with what he actually does. He doesn't walk the talk in other words. But that's fine with me, I find it funny 😀
Or even worse.....deaf/untrained/system compromised, the result is the same, the contribution is discarded/undermined, plenty of evidence of that around.
I would not be quick to call someone a liar. Other people may have other predilections.
By comparing the sound against that of a 'better' dac, only changing that one variable of the reproduction system. Go back and forth several times trying to memorize the difference you hear between the dacs. When you think you can recall the memory at will, then try blind testing yourself.
Agreed on that part.
Bob: IMO, it has nothing to do with what we were talking about.
I'd like to know that. Mix engineers know the tricks for messing with sound stage width depth and height and it's as far as I know* dB's of level and many degrees of phase shift sometimes. Certainly normally many of OOM above the difference between two expensive DACs
*Note I don't know these tricks but there are enough articles out there to point knob twiddlers in the right direction and hopefully someone on here versed in the art.