I've not had the pleasure of hearing Lowther or the 15" Fane - 250TC's top end sounds "papery" to me - perhaps a good thing vs plastic compression driver diaphragms
some sims:
250TC in a 40 liter sealed box with ~400uF series cap
250TC in a 122 liter vented box - vent opened vs vent heavily damped
some sims:
250TC in a 40 liter sealed box with ~400uF series cap
250TC in a 122 liter vented box - vent opened vs vent heavily damped
This thread here:
What's the best 8" fullrange that you've heard?
Ivo has an opinion on what you're asking.
My biased 2 cents:
Really happy with the Fane FC152/15-300TC, best money I've ever spent, cheap and dynamic, to get them to really shine you need some form of DSP, but if you get a few resonant peaks down just so, they're also much more detailed and have shockingly much better off axis response than my MA 10.2.
But they are not perfect. If you do not have any equipment for EQ they can be a bit "much", and the bare minimum would probably be a passive notch filter at around 2khz.
Many seem happy with the 12-250TC, I have not listened to that one.
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Kaffimann, thanks, I remember reading this somewhere and I could not find it later.
Everybody seems to love the 15", but since I do not need the low extension, I wonder if the 12" is as good say from 100 Hz up. According to what I read, it should be more or less the same thing. I have some nice 15"s taking care of the bass already - and some more on the way as well
I have a 4ch FreeDSP and will most probably get a DCX. And I can handle temporary tests by doing the DSP stuff directly in a PC, so that should not be a problem.
I wonder how "much" it is - because the Lowthers should be "much" according to the FR plot as well, but it does not seem to be the case in room.
Edit: Just checked the FR plots - I guess I will love the Fane, too
Everybody seems to love the 15", but since I do not need the low extension, I wonder if the 12" is as good say from 100 Hz up. According to what I read, it should be more or less the same thing. I have some nice 15"s taking care of the bass already - and some more on the way as well
I have a 4ch FreeDSP and will most probably get a DCX. And I can handle temporary tests by doing the DSP stuff directly in a PC, so that should not be a problem.
I wonder how "much" it is - because the Lowthers should be "much" according to the FR plot as well, but it does not seem to be the case in room.
Edit: Just checked the FR plots - I guess I will love the Fane, too
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I would actually look at the db-mark XCA series instead of the Behringer DCX, IMO you'd have to cross the price tag of DBX Venu360 to get similar audio quality.
If audio quality is your main concern I'd rather have the just very slightly more cumbersome GUI of the db-mark XCA, than having to mod the hell out of a DCX.
Check around, they sell it in various places, closest I've seen to you is maybe Romania? But maybe there are more local shops I don't know about.
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If audio quality is your main concern I'd rather have the just very slightly more cumbersome GUI of the db-mark XCA, than having to mod the hell out of a DCX.
Check around, they sell it in various places, closest I've seen to you is maybe Romania? But maybe there are more local shops I don't know about.
dB Mark XCA24
dB-Mark XCA24 2-in 4-out Digital Active Crossover, 379,00 €
dBMark :: dBMark XCA24 PS349.00 IN STOCK (30 Apr 2019)
I'm currently using the Sure ADAU1701 DSP (similar to the FreeDSP) with a 12-250 crossed over to an EV 12".
Using SigmaStudio I have cobbled together a 6th order LP / 2nd order HP linear phase, Bessel based, Subtractive Delayed crossover at approx 180Hz, works really well with minimal throughput delay.
Lautsprecherteile.de has the other models as well, such as the XCA26 for instance.
dB-Mark XCA26 2-in 6-out Digital Active Crossover, 429,00 €
I do not know about the T.Racks gear, but it seems the reviews are a bit mixed.
Silasmellor, passive is passé
SubsSoniks, that sounds good. Would you mind sharing the Sigma Studio project file for inspiration? Or do you have some more information and pictures of your setup here?
KaffiMann, it is a pity they do not have dB-Mark at Thomann, I like shopping there - I will be buying the speakers there Do you have any advice on which second hand units from e.g. DBX are also as good? Or any brand...
KaffiMann, it is a pity they do not have dB-Mark at Thomann, I like shopping there - I will be buying the speakers there
Do you have any advice on which second hand units from e.g. DBX are also as good? Or any brand...
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Well, the only feedback I've seen is that the people that have tried the db-mark XCA series prefer it to both the Behringer DCX and the DBX Driverack PA series, you really have to go up a bit to get equal quality performance.
So the Venu360 really does seem like the first product on the price ladder that give equal perceived listening experience, but the Venu360 is not really directly compareable, since it has many more functions and features, including things like smartphone app control and a large number of other things.
Never going back to unbalanced interconnects, that's for sure, best upgrade ever! So much noise in modern homes.
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There's also a B and D version of the Venu360, with Blu-link or Dante, pending on which you prefer.
So the Venu360 really does seem like the first product on the price ladder that give equal perceived listening experience, but the Venu360 is not really directly compareable, since it has many more functions and features, including things like smartphone app control and a large number of other things.
Never going back to unbalanced interconnects, that's for sure, best upgrade ever! So much noise in modern homes.
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There's also a B and D version of the Venu360, with Blu-link or Dante, pending on which you prefer.
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SubsSoniks, that sounds good. Would you mind sharing the Sigma Studio project file for inspiration? Or do you have some more information and pictures of your setup here?
KaffiMann, it is a pity they do not have dB-Mark at Thomann, I like shopping there - I will be buying the speakers there
Copy and pasted into a new project for clarity.
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Let me know how you get on, what I didn't include for clarity is the eq etc to have a smooth freq and phase response acoustically through the crossover region prior to adding the crossover. Also playing with a three way setup with a view to using the 12-250 with a Colossus 12MB (180-800 ish overlap with 12-250)on low mid and 2 x 15" (33-180Hz) ported horns on the lows for live sound work.
here's some graphs of 250TC at Speakerplans. Its off axis response is well behaved compared to say 12LTA. Maybe that smoother power response vs on axis rise is why it sounds clear in a Karlson K12. I wish Eminence would issue an improved 12LTA variant starting with more motor.
FANE 12-250tc FULL RANGERS - Speakerplans.com Forums - Page 12
FANE 12-250tc FULL RANGERS - Speakerplans.com Forums - Page 12
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I'm looking again at these drivers. Thanks to Trump's Tarifs the Audio Nirvana drivers prices are up (I would guess 25% but if I could buy direct from the factory that could be avoided). But even so, if you have to add high quality components to deal with the ragged response of the Fane you may as well spend it on the Audio Nirvana which I suspect is good enough out of the box. Has anybody found the Fane to be good enough with only a simple series choke for example ?