A little quote from "How to be good" by Nick Hornby when the main character was made to doubt himself by something someone said.......to reinforce what he himself believed.
"I know that I know that I know that"
"I know that I know that I know that"
Of cause I know I'm ignorant.
I just don't know about what I'm ignorant.
Dunning Kruger applies to everyone, including Dunning Kruger.
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Actually the Dunning Kruger effect refers to a lacking of intellect rather than a lacking of knowledge.... ignorance can be fixed, stupidity cannot. 
Mike
Mike
Actually the Dunning Kruger effect refers to a lacking of intellect rather than a lacking of knowledge.... ignorance can be fixed, stupidity cannot.
Mike
That was moms favorite saying ‘you just can’t fix stupid’ !
Actually the Dunning Kruger effect refers to a lacking of intellect rather than a lacking of knowledge.... ignorance can be fixed, stupidity cannot.
Mike
Not really intellect vs knowledge, it's more broadly applied to mental ability even as it translates to motor skills/singing/etc. So even if you're a neophyte in a subject matter with a ton of latent talent, you're going to still (nominally, this varies widely person to person) overrate your ability. Similarly, a low talent person with a lot of experience will self assess more accurately.
In its ultimate expression, D-K effect shows that ignorance really screws up our internal feedback. And yes, as you say, affects everyone, which is a scary voice in your head saying "you're probably even worse than you think you are".
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I would assume it's a George Orwell's question.And as it you already assumed to ask it as a third personn. So I presume all is about the word "exploitation" in relation to the word "judgement' and maybe "moral".
I would rapidly believe (but I'm ignorant) data exploitation is not always for people's exploitation. Sure it's an ethical question as you ask about sales & hapyness (eventually for both the seller & the customer). Would it be more ethical if both were wrong : one to think monney is the parangon of his happyness and the other to think he doesn't allienate himself by loosing a part of his monney ?
In the observer third point of view, i would tempted to think it's about his own liberty to be happy as far collecting informations about yourself doesn't private you of this liberty to choose. All is fine if you can choose yourself your poison.We already know the liberty is limited by ignorance but not the pleasure as a believing we are free to choose= the pleasure is in the choice (and that's made it an ethical question hence the topic).
It stays an ethical question seen from the third point of view mostly if we avoid the moral - is there a profit or advantage to be the less ignorant of the both by having collecting datas-
Profit isa moral meaning but advantage could be an ethical (in the sense of ethic word being about people's happyness) meaning. Think it for example as collecting medical informations to cure people, improving society health...
Problem is not about collecting information as far the ethic is safe so all is about the moral of the personn(s) collecting others' informations.
Old question, see for instance the psychanalyst (we are in your monney example) or the confesser (where moral & ethic are mixed) : all could be wrong but as far the will behind is not bad it's ok : hapyness & freedom are respected, at least sort of, as both are unreachable. If the people is important in your equation then the informations are not automaticly an exploitation if we stay free to mistake oneself. It is wrong when the consequence of no choice kidnapps your pleasure
... f*ck me, did I write this ?! I'm going to open a second bottle I was sold as a good one and before the first I would had the choice to write the same in a standalone sentence only 🙄 but I'm ignorant if I collected well the datas here... I strongly doubt about that.
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I feel that a far worse situation,
Would be people that do not or can not understand
How certain phenomena actually function s,
Use that inability to cause discord,
and division Among people with like interest.
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As for the Bybees,
Electrons do not march neatly through a conductor.
Electrons do not aways have a fixed amount of charge
Strength,
And may be varied.
They collide with each other,
As well as collide with the parts of conductors.
At the same time, they constantly vibrate.
All of which cause noise .
The Bybees slow these actions/reactions down,
Reducing noises.
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If something claims to reduce noise, this can be measured with equipment or by ear.
Show me the measurements, independent of the manufacturer and by an expert in that particular field.
Huh, just looked up the bybee stuff in question......anyone ever dissect one of these ‘bullets’ ?
Certainly does seem proud of them!
Certainly does seem proud of them!
Pretty descriptive of what happens around here and this thread in particular regarding character assassination of Jack Bybee.
I was being overly polite, I meant your gutter talk.
The originator has said truths and what needs to be said in various publications and there is also plenty of first person descriptive evidence of the efficacy of large BQP.
That and my personal experience tells me that the above mentioned 'tests' were not conducted correctly (not on large BQP), and as for 'analysed' that just tells me that the analyst does not fully understand such device.
But YOU have never tried large BQP, how would YOU really know if they work or not ?.
And neither did SY or SW or Cal try large BQP.
No you used that as a denigrating cheap shot to boost your 'thought experiment'.
Do you have all the facts on JB's finances ?.....of course you don't so you are in no position to make snide inferences about Bentleys.
Spreading false rumours about others is low and dirty Jan, you could have made your point in other ways without denigrating anybody in particular.
Dan.
Different scattering behaviours = different current noise and different system noise floor.
The noise floor is almost white but not quite, leaving a slight signature.
Dan.
Please go study some Physics, and some bybees, then explain how your statement above is correct.
Allready have.
But thanks for pipping up.
You have certainly helped put a few things
In perspective ....
That's hilarious. A thread about how people buy into BS ends up with a great example. Unfortunately it has also finished this thread by starting the pollution. Please keep these comments in the bybee thread.
Yes there are a few cases where one was dissected and turned out to be a 0.5 ohms resistor IIRC.
Jan
Interesting that often people are not ambitious enough to learn some basic physics, but are smart enough to hitch an opportunity ride.
Yeah I asked for it. Still nice to get confirmation. 😎
@cbdb - always a matter of time until a thread gets pulled off the rails. This one didn't do too bad I think.
Jan
I was amazed my veganism thread went so well, it's having a nap now, did you see my question to you earlier about veganism?...I'd edited a post
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