How would something like mark audio 7 or 10 perform against the ls50 in a the similar sized ported cabinet? Has have experience with both?
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I have yet to hear LS50, but i have been very pleased with the latest A7.3 and A10.3/p.
MAs would certainly cost less.
Short of a fllorstander, the optimum size i use for my miniOnken enclosures is 9/13/17 litres respectively, but a FH or Pensil will extract more from them.
dave
MAs would certainly cost less.
Short of a fllorstander, the optimum size i use for my miniOnken enclosures is 9/13/17 litres respectively, but a FH or Pensil will extract more from them.
dave
That is not a given. The kef has the huge disadvantage of havig an xo smack dab where they are at their worst.
dave
dave
The price is a reflection of the money invested in the project, from RnD, marketing, show attending, labor cost, distributor's cut, profit, etc....
Don't confuse a commercial product with a driver you can buy for DIY projects. In term of manufacturing costs, both drivers are probably in the same price range. You just have to pay for all the other stuff with the LS50.
FWIW, I heard a pair of the LS50 at local dealer a few months ago - for those who can remember the days when our friends at the junction would be excited to show off anything in the shop to its best advantage, the demo was pretty much - where ya go Chris, I think you can figure out how to get the touch screen sever thing to work - let us know when you’re done. I guess my 20yrs on not buying anything entered into their calculus, but the attitude still pi$$ed me off - I don’t think Terry and Don would have been impressed.
In short, they were memorably “meh”. This shop used to a very lenient and enthusiastic home demo loan program but I was hardly interested enough to ask. Of course, the only MA speakers I currently have are floorstanders for A10.3 and A11MS, so any in home comparison wouldn’t quite be apples to apples.
In short, they were memorably “meh”. This shop used to a very lenient and enthusiastic home demo loan program but I was hardly interested enough to ask. Of course, the only MA speakers I currently have are floorstanders for A10.3 and A11MS, so any in home comparison wouldn’t quite be apples to apples.
They almost always had time to chat, even if they knew you weren't buying, which was most of the time for me.😀
I was thinking a Mar-Ken10.3 and the LS50 might make an interesting comparison. I googled and found them on sale for $998 CAD at a local dealer near Dave.
jeff
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Visions?
They don’t have any realcapability to demo them … at least the last time i was in there.
dave
They don’t have any realcapability to demo them … at least the last time i was in there.
dave
Thanks for the replies. I'll build some mark audio cabinets for fun and for practicing some woodworking skills.
Do it, i doubt you will regret it. I went that route, though not the LS50s (which i would very much like to hear still), i had similarly priced Dynaudio speakers before and built Scott's simple bookshelf for a pair of Alpair 10ps i got Enabled from Dave. To me, it was a clear upgrade. The Dynaudios (excite X16) sound great, but the clarity and soundstage of the 10ps is special. I was also surprised to find that they managed similar low end extension as the somewhat larger Dynaudios.
Wow, thats a great speaker to be comparing to and to be considered an upgrade. I was thinking the a 7.3 build should i push for the 10? Are Scotts plans on this forum?
thank you i will look into some plans.
Maybe i'll build some floorstanders with the 10 after an initial 7 bookshelf build.
Some of the plans are publically available from Frugal-phile | Box Library / Mark Audio
Some of the designs can be had against a donation to the forum IIRC. I cannot comment on the 7.3 (though it might be discontinued and hard to get?) vs 10p as i've only tried the 10p and 10.3, both of which sound great.
This is the simple bookshelf: http://wodendesign.com/downloads/simpleReflex-103-10p-plan-100214.pdf
Some of the designs can be had against a donation to the forum IIRC. I cannot comment on the 7.3 (though it might be discontinued and hard to get?) vs 10p as i've only tried the 10p and 10.3, both of which sound great.
This is the simple bookshelf: http://wodendesign.com/downloads/simpleReflex-103-10p-plan-100214.pdf
I had a chance to hear the wireless self amplified LS50’s at a shop in Darmstadt. They were mounted on a shelf against a wall with 50 other speakers. They are in a different league as far as speakers go - very natural sounding and impressive bass for such a small box. It’s a very different animal since 2 way coaxial with DSP and wireless with Class D amp built in. I don’t think any full range driver could compete in this league except maybe in the soundstage and imaging area where full range speakers always have the advantage.
The W5-2143 in a small bass reflex cabinet might have a chance?
Photo shows the ones I heard - special edition version painted to look like Star Wars Death Star.
The W5-2143 in a small bass reflex cabinet might have a chance?
Photo shows the ones I heard - special edition version painted to look like Star Wars Death Star.
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Yes. So basically a store front with a cash register.🙁
They're also $2800 here, which places them in a completely different category for DIYer's.
jeff
A friend of mine has these and well, they're very, very good. Beautiful to look at too. BUT! They're pretty... Tame. A good full range driver just has an edge in liveliness, imaging and engaging presentation that's very hard to beat.
There's just something about the "oneness" of a full range driver that engages some listeners (but leaves others stone cold). I personally think it has a lot to do with the unexplored regions of our psychoacoustic system, that subconsciously likes singular sound sources a lot more that multiple drivers. So yes, are the LS50's great speakers for hours of musical fun? Sure. So are the Mark Audio's.
Anyway, for the price of even a used pair of LS50's you can build a top of the line Markaudio build and have loads of money left for stupid black discs or fancy amplification, and I think the experience of listening to a good FR driver is worth the price of admission at any rate.
If you have the chance, I'd find a Friendly Local Audiophile with good full range speakers and have a listen to see if you have the single driver bug - aka the psychoacoustic inclination to like single drivers over multiple ones.
There's just something about the "oneness" of a full range driver that engages some listeners (but leaves others stone cold). I personally think it has a lot to do with the unexplored regions of our psychoacoustic system, that subconsciously likes singular sound sources a lot more that multiple drivers. So yes, are the LS50's great speakers for hours of musical fun? Sure. So are the Mark Audio's.
Anyway, for the price of even a used pair of LS50's you can build a top of the line Markaudio build and have loads of money left for stupid black discs or fancy amplification, and I think the experience of listening to a good FR driver is worth the price of admission at any rate.
If you have the chance, I'd find a Friendly Local Audiophile with good full range speakers and have a listen to see if you have the single driver bug - aka the psychoacoustic inclination to like single drivers over multiple ones.
Forgive the KEF LS50. It is much better the LS50 wireless. Woofer with 200 watts class D and tweeter with 30 watts class AB.
True sensitiviry 83 dB/W/m <- they need a lot of power.
Only 75 Hz at -3 dB.
And, very important, they need at least 90 cm from the three walls. And they need feet.
LS50 wireless, thanks to the DSP, does not have these limitations.
True sensitiviry 83 dB/W/m <- they need a lot of power.
Only 75 Hz at -3 dB.
And, very important, they need at least 90 cm from the three walls. And they need feet.
LS50 wireless, thanks to the DSP, does not have these limitations.
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