I mean that it plays significantly louder than other inputs on the amp. without a SPL meter to give an accurate difference, the best I can do is say that on a scale of 1 to 10 when I play something on Moode on 2, it is the same loudness as any other input to the amp on 4. (
Hopefully that makes sense).
Before I could tame that by lowering the "Limit Maximum Output Percent" setting.
I have the same DAC (Hifiberry DAC+ Pro) and haven't observed any doubling (?) in perceived loudness. I wonder if there is something specific to your setup. Are you running balanced outputs? Do you hear any distortion or clipping?
For what it's worth Archimago has measured peak to peak output on the DAC+ Pro at about 2.1 Vrms which is par for the course for unbalanced line level audio gear.
You've suggested a driver issue -- Can you give some more details on that?
Cheers,
Richard
Hi Tim
That's what I hope is the case, as before it was always running perfectly on PiZero.
Will try again and see what happens (for now I'm back to 3.84 as I wanted the working player for tonight)
Yes, a Wiki is ideal but it will need to be actively maintained or it will date very quickly -- always the Achilles heel in these kind of things. Perhaps it can be hosted on Github.
A couple of suggestions:
The reason for no image can probably be a short explanation folded into the download section as it would be most relevant there.
Do some of the things such as "base system" and "extras" = "setting up and using moOde"? Just trying to be more descriptive for less technically minded users.
Richard
A quick thought on this, might GooGooMuck's other devices all be lower than 2.1V out? Thereby having his new RPi DAC that is, end up louder at a particular percent of volume? Many consumer sources are 0.9V...
Bryce may add his LCD scripts....Bryce ?
I would have no problem with that.
Not running balanced inputs.
Not certain about the driver, but in the past there was a reason to set the output maximum to a lower value (81 if I remember correctly).
This is where I was getting the settings from in the older version I was using.
Possible. I always thought CD players and tape decks has a 2V output at the RCA jacks.
Hi,
Hifiberry fixed the +24dB volume clipping issue long time ago. Now 100% volume level in players = 0dB hardware volume as it should be.
Please post the output from System info and I'll have a look
-Tim
Oops, I believe I made a mistake in quoting Archimago's measurement: it isn't peak-to-peak but simply the peak measurement, so double it for peak-to-peak.
It appears to be standard for CD players to have a 2 Vrms output even it that is not the "standard" for line level.
CDP and DAC output levels
I have just mounted my Qnap nas without a problem
1qnapnaslibraryMoOde4.0 by Man in a van, on FlickrNo need for user and password with mine, and the default format for the Qnap is NFS.
Ronnie
Hi,
Hifiberry fixed the +24dB volume clipping issue long time ago. Now 100% volume level in players = 0dB hardware volume as it should be.
Please post the output from System info and I'll have a look
-Tim
System Info:
20180205 011255 worker: - Start
20180205 011255 worker: Successfully daemonized
20180205 011255 worker: - Init
20180205 011255 worker: Session loaded
20180205 011255 worker: Debug logging (off)
20180205 011258 worker: Host (moode)
20180205 011258 worker: Hdwr (Pi-2B 1GB v1.1)
20180205 011258 worker: Arch (armv7l)
20180205 011258 worker: Kver (4.9.79-v7+)
20180205 011258 worker: Ktyp (Standard)
20180205 011258 worker: Gov (performance)
20180205 011258 worker: Rel (Moode 4.0 2018-01-26)
20180205 011258 worker: Upd (None)
20180205 011258 worker: MPD (0.20.12)
20180205 011258 worker: USB boot not enabled yet
20180205 011258 worker: File system expanded
20180205 011258 worker: HDMI port off
20180205 011259 worker: File check ok
20180205 011259 worker: - Network
20180205 011259 worker: eth0 exists
20180205 011259 worker: eth0 (192.168.1.121)
20180205 011259 worker: wlan0 does not exist
20180205 011259 worker: - Audio
20180205 011300 worker: ALSA outputs unmuted
20180205 011300 worker: Audio out (I2S audio device)
20180205 011300 worker: Audio dev (HiFiBerry DAC+ Pro)
20180205 011300 worker: ALSA mixer name (Digital)
20180205 011300 worker: MPD volume control (hardware)
20180205 011300 worker: Hdwr volume controller exists
20180205 011300 worker: Chip options (Burr Brown PCM5122)
20180205 011300 worker: - Services
20180205 011302 worker: MPD started
20180205 011302 worker: MPD scheduler policy (time-share)
20180205 011302 worker: MPD output 1 ALSA default (on)
20180205 011302 worker: MPD output 2 ALSA crossfeed (off)
20180205 011302 worker: MPD output 3 ALSA parametric eq (off)
20180205 011302 worker: MPD output 4 ALSA graphic eq (off)
20180205 011302 worker: MPD crossfade (off)
20180205 011302 worker: - Last
20180205 011303 worker: USB sources (A063-310D)
20180205 011303 worker: NAS sources (mountall initiated)
20180205 011303 worker: Volume level (100) restored
20180205 011303 worker: Maintenance interval (21600)
20180205 011303 worker: Watchdog started
20180205 011303 worker: Ready
alsamixer:
Analogue [dB gain: 0.00, 0.00]
Analogue Playback Boost [dB gain: 0.00, 0.00]
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Nice, I hadn't noticed that option. So setting the gain to -6 dB should reduce the SPL by half.
That's what I thought also. Oh well, add another mystery to the universe. Ill just have to set Moode's volume to the low 80s and hope it doesn't get nudged upward
. Thanks for the help everyone, 3.1 was working well but was thinking of getting an Allo Boss, which didn't have an option in 3.1. So maybe things will work out with the Allo and Moode 4.x
That's what I thought also. Oh well, add another mystery to the universe. Ill just have to set Moode's volume to the low 80s and hope it doesn't get nudged upward
Thanks for the help everyone, 3.1 was working well but was thinking of getting an Allo Boss, which didn't have an option in 3.1. So maybe things will work out with the Allo and Moode 4.x
The symptom of "louder to the ear volume" suggests something external to moOde software.
What downstream audio device and input port is your Pi+DAC connected to?
-Tim
Ill just have to set Moode's volume to the low 80s and hope it doesn't get nudged upward
Why not try setting the -6 dB analogue gain option for the DAC chip as mentioned above? That will reduce the output of the Hifiberry without using the digital volume.
Hi,
The DSP operations are only for MPD. They could be applied to any renderer including Squeezelite but lot of work to do this and not enough requests or project support...
-Tim
An Onkyo-A10 amp (recently serviced and brought to factory spec). Tried switching inputs with other sources (cassette deck and CD player) but Moode/pi/HifiBerry is still much louder. It's not a subtle difference, similar to when an obnoxiously loud commercial comes on the television while watching a show at a decent volume. The kind of commercial that makes you open your eyes wide and exclaim, "geeeze" while fumbling for the remote's volume button before the whole house wakes up.
I've had "vintage" 70's and 80's high-end audio electronics that never really worked right in todays time. There were always issues. Vintage speakers however are a different story, some are to die for.
Good luck.
-Tim