Nope. 16/44 digital is superior to analogue in MOST domains. It lacks the rise time/frequency response of high quality analogue.
Haha! You crack me up.
Ever seen a ruler-flat digital f-resp overlaying the bumpy analog stuff? Bad enough to give you nausea!
Did you miss the discussion about how cartridge- or tape head resonance is needed to bring it *somewhere* to flat?
Jan
Ever seen a ruler-flat digital f-resp overlaying the bumpy analog stuff? Bad enough to give you nausea!
Did you miss the discussion about how cartridge- or tape head resonance is needed to bring it *somewhere* to flat?
Jan
Zaphod is making sense. CD fails the rise-time spec. for the best possible audio. High frequency resonance is usually necessary. for low speed recording, like 7 1/2 or 3 3/4 or cassettes. 15ips is 'iffy' and at 30ips, resonance is an impediment. MC cartridges do better without added resonance, and only MM cartridges need it.
Still, even with added resonance, the rise-time is usually faster with analog playback than with CD.
Still, even with added resonance, the rise-time is usually faster with analog playback than with CD.
Of course, 24-96k or 24-192k should make the grade, BUT it still sounds compromised. What is still missing? However, 24-96k and above is hopefully the future, for even the CD lovers here. '-)
Well maybe with the stuff that you listen through, Jan. '-)
But I should qualify what I am really talking about which is the 'time' response rather than the 'frequency' response is where the problem lies. CD sucks in regards to 'time' response.
But I should qualify what I am really talking about which is the 'time' response rather than the 'frequency' response is where the problem lies. CD sucks in regards to 'time' response.
My point is that you tamper with the tonal balance and direct/reflection energy quota when close micing. How do you restore that in post? Reverb - nope. I blame you.
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Morgan Jones proved that Ortofon use a mechanical resonance to give a HF lift in their MCs. Ortofon house 'curve' is +2dB at 20kHz.
You pose wild stuff without any facts or figures. I can dismiss that just as easily and call it BS.
Jan
Of course it is necessary, to get some semblance of 'flat', if you don't look too closely. I don't understand that anyone can listen to that and call it flat. 'Trust my ears', yeah, my foot!
Jan
What data converters are you listening to in order to come to that conclusion?
Why "the future" ? Is-it not the present ? CD is almost dead. Near Archaeological if I believe the record companies ;-)
24/96 does not sound compromised, in my opinion. May-be you can hear the 'signature' of the analog AD and DA parts of the gears you use. But it is the same for magnetic tapes, agree ?
Well, so many engineers I know made so many times the before/after tape test from an analog mixing desk during recording sessions. With so many people around. Musicians, producers. And, for what I know, nobody was never able to tell what was direct, what was digitized. With analog tapes, 0 errors, 100% of the players win. And with Vinyl ? Oh lord, you have the answer even before the first note begins.
Now, you have the right to "prefer" analog. For various reasons, including culture and nostalgia. But we are no more on the subject of "transparency".
Even with my PC speakers, I was able to win this test. In 3 seconds. :
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New cars are no longer fitted with CD players.
With yearly product evolution and mass market sales it’s a good barometer of the general public.
You are considered crazy or foolish or both if you are still using anything but digital streaming, let alone any kind of analogue medium. Using interconnects and cords in general is now strange.
Most are now purging all their CDs, as many did with LPs in the 80s and early 90s.
As much as you’ll have to pry my LPs from my cold, dead hands.... because I’m stubborn...
Analogue is now a minor curiosity, not a solution.
Digital will continue to improve. No one is willing to accommodate the large burden of “stuff” which is required to go backwards for minor perceived improvements. Very few are willing to accept 35lb boxes in their living room anymore. They will just wait until this tech catches up and focus their time on other aspects of life.
It has been about ten years since I was taking a CD player in a college arena to test the system, when a student looked at the gear and exclaimed "cool retro ."
In one arena even before that the audio quality difference between cassettes, carts, MP3s and digital file transfers were easy to discern even during a game. Not aware of anyone trying CDs during play. But even in my first stadium project CDs were transfered into a digital playback system based on a PC. Things are just a bit too hectic to play with them funny plastic discs. Although sometimes performers will bring them. So an ahead of time precued disc can still be found although it is much more common to be an MP3 file.
But there certainly are consumer systems that do not perform as well as the system in a football field.
In one arena even before that the audio quality difference between cassettes, carts, MP3s and digital file transfers were easy to discern even during a game. Not aware of anyone trying CDs during play. But even in my first stadium project CDs were transfered into a digital playback system based on a PC. Things are just a bit too hectic to play with them funny plastic discs. Although sometimes performers will bring them. So an ahead of time precued disc can still be found although it is much more common to be an MP3 file.
But there certainly are consumer systems that do not perform as well as the system in a football field.
I have been VERY specific (as has Mr Curl) about the the superiority of high quality tape and vinyl, compared to 16/44 digital. Higher bit rates are capable of surpassing even the best analogue systems. We get the excellent linearity, S/N, speed stability along with a frequency response that can truly exceed the abilities of human hearing. 16/44 digital cannot manage the last feat.
Mine was fitted with a CD player. Built in Japan in June 2017, it is fitted with a CD player. I guess Subaru are an old fashioned company.
That said, I rarely use it. The factory sound system is horrible. I just like listening to that boxer 2 Litre, turbo.
Last year about this time, I went to a production of “So you think you can dance”, in a local theatre, wow, my ears were ringing for hours after. My friend who had his daughters along, actually had thought to bring along hearing protection, I was both jealous and feeling bad for having invited them along to share the free tickets.
Point being, it sounded a lot like mp3 type noise, but never had it been so amplified and painful in my experience. Ok the dance portion was amazing, but...
Made me really appreciate the days where a half decent CD player would have been used instead.
I saw a regular stagehand after, a past accomplice, who was there for the show. We both kind of looked at each other and both could tell what the other was thinking.
Also, have you noticed how Toyota is the last to have the latest mechanisms?
We have a 2001 that has a cassette tape..
Point being, it sounded a lot like mp3 type noise, but never had it been so amplified and painful in my experience. Ok the dance portion was amazing, but...
Made me really appreciate the days where a half decent CD player would have been used instead.
I saw a regular stagehand after, a past accomplice, who was there for the show. We both kind of looked at each other and both could tell what the other was thinking.
Also, have you noticed how Toyota is the last to have the latest mechanisms?
We have a 2001 that has a cassette tape..
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