But as to the rise in impedance that is the voice coil inductance showing up. As basic as you get.
And yet, incorrect. There are two impedance rises in the graph.
The impedance peak at 100 hz or so is a mechanical one, not a consequence of the voice coil inductance. Below it a standard inductance meter measures it as a negative inductance, and the rise to peak impedance is a consequence of system Q, or more specifically, the system's energy storage response.
If you want to see voice coil inductance, you have to look at the graph from the minima above the resonance on up in frequency, and more specifically, the coil has to be locked.
If you want to see the voice coil inductance more clearly, place that driver on it's face so that the air trapped between the cone and the surface acts as a locked coil system. There will be some interference with the real inductance as the simple fact that there is an air cushion allows some movement of the coil.
But the amp and wire does not see just the voice coil inductance. It sees that as well as the energy storage characteristics of the speaker in box through the audio band, with less box as frequency rises away from peak.
See, no flogging.
John
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No just misread. We agree on the causes but you seem to think I confused the resonance peak with the inductance rise. You also got the issue of why the inductance rise is not a straight line. There is also a change in loading. With a bit of work you could estimate the efficiency.
Now the impedance peak will of course combine with any impedance variation from the theoretical power amplifier output to produce a deviation in power delivered to the loudspeaker.
Common practice is to correct frequency response deviations with equalization. Yet that will not work on this type of resonance.
Now the impedance peak will of course combine with any impedance variation from the theoretical power amplifier output to produce a deviation in power delivered to the loudspeaker.
Common practice is to correct frequency response deviations with equalization. Yet that will not work on this type of resonance.
There was a comment in one of the stereophile reports from AXPONA that all the digital demos were at 16/44.1 with very little hires and no MQA. But lots of open reel tape and record players. Go figure.
It was a mixed bag. I didn't hear much of a correlation in sound quality between 16/44 and hi res demos. The turntables and tape generally sounded inferior in the few cases I was able to actually hear both TT/RTR and digital. But low statistics, nothing controlled, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions.
The very best sound I heard was a room that used a mix of hi res and 16/44, but the quality was from the close attention they paid to room acoustics and the excellent speakers. The very worst sound I heard was in a large room that may have been acoustically pretty good, TT as source, nice electronics, but I think the speakers let everything down.
Incredible! I am really upset now!
I reported an error in a TI data sheet (error in pinout) to the TI European HQ. Now some kid calls me to ask if I would please do it again but now using the proper procedure!! 'Scuse me, wft??
I told her I took my own time and reported out of courtesy an error, so I am not going to do it AGAIN.
Still she continues to lecture me about internal TI procedures, wtf??
Totally unfit for anything that resembles customer service!
Don't people THINK anymore these days!!
Jan
Precisely who the hell do you think you are? You are just a customer - know your station in life and follow procedures.
Now if you're an investor or even better still an analyst that's an entirely different story. We are here to serve you.
Did you bother listening to the half a million buck MBL setup?
Yes, I did. Volume too high, tipped up bass. Very hifi-show sound. Probably could sound very good if it weren't being demoed.
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Yes, I did. Volume too high, tipped up bass.
Good to see they have not changed in 25yr. JC would say it's what the guys "who know where the action is" want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V77Di0KZrSU
But this question bit is to try and start a real discussion. It is the peanut gallery who likes to throw the shells at folks.
Ed it would help if you had at least enough respect for the technical community at large that you would collect the literature on this and go through it, it is substantial, before presenting issues like no one has ever thought of them before.
I do this every week the "peanuts" go off like nothing before has ever happened and I reel them in with hours of readings from the past. Just call me Buffalo Bob.
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Did you bother listening to the half a million buck MBL setup?
Yes. It was horrific.
A guy who came to hate my guts*...
A quote I first heard attributed to Lotfi Zadeh but I doubt he originated it :
Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.
Reading this Moving on Up at AXPONA | Stereophile.com was horrified that the Wilson Audio demo used $208k worth of cables and power conditioning. As if 100k speakers and a 100k DAC wasn't bad enough!
Reading this Moving on Up at AXPONA | Stereophile.com was horrified that the Wilson Audio demo used $208k worth of cables and power conditioning. As if 100k speakers and a 100k DAC wasn't bad enough!
Good grief. For that you could build a new house with a custom designed listening space, and fill it with a decent hifi system,.... Now *that* might be worth it...
in .sig:
The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. Chomsky
reminds me at George Carlin's "You've got no choice".
Good grief. For that you could build a new house with a custom designed listening space, and fill it with a decent hifi system,.... Now *that* might be worth it...
You guys have no imagination. Those potential customers already have a new house with dedicated listening space and a good system. 🙂
Jan
Reading this Moving on Up at AXPONA | Stereophile.com was horrified that the Wilson Audio demo used $208k worth of cables and power conditioning. As if 100k speakers and a 100k DAC wasn't bad enough!
It sounded OK, nothing special, FWIW. Too bad they didn't put that same effort into the important things sonically, but they know what their prospective customer expects.
Has anyone played with enough BF862s to get data on Idss spread? I have designed some into preamps which include d.c. servos and went back and increased the servo range as a precaution. But as usual with servos, the less they do the better.
I have once tested maybe 80 or 100 devices and they were nearly all 12-13 mA, very few outliers by more than 2 mA when I wanted some high Idss ones.
It goes without saying that they were not that consistent when I needed similar ones for a differential amplifier.
Fet-aided op amp:
<http://www.analog.com/library/analogdialogue/archives/47-10/discrete_amplifier.pdf >
regards, Gerhard
already have
(You guys have no mileage. Those potential customers had the dedicated listening space altered halfway down the build of the house)
(You guys have no mileage. Those potential customers had the dedicated listening space altered halfway down the build of the house)
Last time I had a dedicated listening space was because the wife had left me. And taken all my money...
Are the super rich not still into dedicated home theatres rather than 2 channel audio?
...here are extrapolated Idss values for your pairs
Thanks, Dimitri! I failed to produce the plot with OpenOffice Writer built-in tools. 🙁
regards, Gerhard
Last time I had a dedicated listening space was because the wife had left me. And taken all my money...
Are the super rich not still into dedicated home theatres rather than 2 channel audio?
Actually I'm surprised someone isn't promising a quantum listening space that's larger than the house it's in.... Funnily enough I just bought some glue and tar solvent called TARDIS....
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