I once built a power conditioner for a guy who wanted to really go nuts with fancy stuff. Up front I told him I couldn't confirm Bybee purifiers did anything, 9x Bybee's later, I can't confirm why people think they don't do anything. It's abundantly different.
But I don't have any controlled situation to tell you that .25ohm resistors wouldn't be just as sufficient for the gains in sound quality. I don't have any reasonable way to tell you why they work. They clearly don't resemble ferrite beads in anyway.
I'm sure many will scoff at what I've just written, but I scoff at those whom haven't heard the abundantly clear difference the devices make yet love to discuss them. I have not heard any other products by Jack, I'm just letting you all know the Curl isn't the only person who can unequivocally tell you they sure as **** do something.
It seems like such an on going joke for people to talk about them, and yet never have tried them even if you measured one. Perhaps your imagination is too small. Perhaps you're one of the people that must conduct a double blind study to confirm you feel rain drops on you while standing in the rain.
But least of all has anyone been forced into buying any Bybee products, so why you all give such a ****?
But I don't have any controlled situation to tell you that .25ohm resistors wouldn't be just as sufficient for the gains in sound quality. I don't have any reasonable way to tell you why they work. They clearly don't resemble ferrite beads in anyway.
I'm sure many will scoff at what I've just written, but I scoff at those whom haven't heard the abundantly clear difference the devices make yet love to discuss them. I have not heard any other products by Jack, I'm just letting you all know the Curl isn't the only person who can unequivocally tell you they sure as **** do something.
It seems like such an on going joke for people to talk about them, and yet never have tried them even if you measured one. Perhaps your imagination is too small. Perhaps you're one of the people that must conduct a double blind study to confirm you feel rain drops on you while standing in the rain.
But least of all has anyone been forced into buying any Bybee products, so why you all give such a ****?
Without any proof that they do anything I will have to take it as expectation bias, I don't wish to upset anyone but these devices have been dismantled, tested and show nothing other than the resistor in their core. A few years of trying to find information on this device has yielded nothing but anecdotal evidence.
As stated previously only in esoteric audio would people buy and add components with no data sheet and no reference to what they do, what frequencies they filter at etc.
CON.
As stated previously only in esoteric audio would people buy and add components with no data sheet and no reference to what they do, what frequencies they filter at etc.
CON.
There Is Nothing Like Personal Experience....
You may well be surprised.
Dan.
Just beg/borrow/steal some and give them a try.
You may well be surprised.
Dan.
No, there is no substance to them other than a low ohmic resistor, these devices epitomise the emperors new cloths. Neither would I use a so called component with some data showing what it does.
No empirical data, a comedy description of what they do that defies known physics.
Why should I waste good money on a con....
No one has ever presented anything of substance regarding these devices, yet there has been plenty of evidence that they work exactly like a 0.25R resistor (or whatever value is currently used).
How many circuits would you build using components you had NO data on....
No empirical data, a comedy description of what they do that defies known physics.
Why should I waste good money on a con....
No one has ever presented anything of substance regarding these devices, yet there has been plenty of evidence that they work exactly like a 0.25R resistor (or whatever value is currently used).
How many circuits would you build using components you had NO data on....
The data that is available is that they measure 0.025 ohms.
That is not the complete data, but incomplete data has never stopped use of all manner of components throughout electronics history.
I said beg/borrow/steal.....ie lend some....no financial outlay to cause unconscious bias.
I don't maintain that you will like/prefer subjective changes, but unless you are stone deaf you should hear some degree of subjective change.
Also the internal resistor value is 0.025 ohms...iow, close enough to dead short circuit so should not alter typical circuit behaviours substantially.
The 'active component' is the coating on the ceramic tube, not the resistor.
I am not advocating BQP, but I do recognise that the changes caused by these are audible, and readily so.
Marce, go ahead and do yourself a favour and seek out some loaner examples.
Dan.
Except unlike what Curl says, when I used them there wasn't anything subtle about what they did. The difference in the quality of bass was clear to everyone over the same conditioner without. There's no bias, it was just entirely different.
Thanks Destroyer OS and Max for adding your inputs.
IN THE BEGINNING, (20 years ago) the working resistor was .3 ohms or so. About 10 years ago, it changed to 0.025 ohms. The resistor is necessary BUT not the active ingredient. The resistor is just a resistor, however the later resistors, (like the ones shown on the internet) are better resistors for the job, than typical resistors. Why, is another story, and they are typically not commercially available over the counter.
IN THE BEGINNING, (20 years ago) the working resistor was .3 ohms or so. About 10 years ago, it changed to 0.025 ohms. The resistor is necessary BUT not the active ingredient. The resistor is just a resistor, however the later resistors, (like the ones shown on the internet) are better resistors for the job, than typical resistors. Why, is another story, and they are typically not commercially available over the counter.
I should probably stop posting about this, sense while at any other time I really appreciate the posters in this topic... it makes me angry that people think it's so hard to believe because it's so ******* obvious they do something. It wasn't a group at one time, btw.
Seriously, I don't need someone to tell me whether I just heard someone clap in front of me, in the same way I don't need someone telling me I created biases and basically placebod myself super radically for the first time to an extravaganza of technobable. It's like talking to a bunch of feminist in here. You just turn and turn that rationalization wheel till you get a reason why whomever must be TOTALLY CRAZY to hear something when otherwise they range from just some guy to an industry leader. Why would just the Bybee experience be permissible for utter crazy nonsense, but then all other times whomever speaking is legit?
Maybe one of you should get that machine and play with a Bybee. But more importantly try listening to one, or many, just like Max suggested. That's when the nutter will really come out because you'll have to convince yourself you didn't hear any difference. Maybe you're afraid Jack sprinkles bias dust all over his parts and you'll get infected? PLEASE. What an on going joke this is... at this point I feel bad for Jack, whom I can only imagine is berated by people all day long that haven't heard any of his products.
BTW, I think there's almost no where money isn't better spent than adding Bybees. I don't personally own any because for what they cost, they are the icing on the icing. I wouldn't use their expense unless I had everything I wanted (hard to imagine) and lots of extra cash. That said, I'd be pleased to one day have my own power conditioner with them, but as is that's many thousands of dollars I can apply to other things so it won't be anytime soon.
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This is why I won't accept statements from anyone that claims "they clearly hear a difference (or an improvement)" without corroborating evidence. Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkjkh3OrjeA
Mike
Mike
You weren't doing too bad, DOS, until the first sentence of your last paragraph was totally contradicted by the rest of that paragraph.
JC threw in more mystique. But it begs the question... The >10x shift in resistor value... How was this "improvement" missed during the initial R&D?
JC threw in more mystique. But it begs the question... The >10x shift in resistor value... How was this "improvement" missed during the initial R&D?
It has to do with the improvements of the actual active part of the quantum filter over a decade. They apparently were able to use a lower value resistor and get the same performance. For the record, most of the Bybee devices that I use come from the 0.3 ohm era.
If true, one would think there would be more substantial documentation as to the workings of the quantum processes. Unless I am wrong in thinking that there is an important leap from simply identifying and applying a process to actually tweaking that process.
Fleming could not have preceded Franklin.
Fleming could not have preceded Franklin.
You should allow some wiggle room, stone deaf, do we need this level of exaggeration?
Well does that mean their dollar value is to be a focus here, too? That implies they do something... 😀
Diminishing returns! You can pay sooooooooooooooo much more money for something, and get a little wee bit out of it, if you're inclined.
It's funny though because were I not familiar with what a power conditioner that's really done up right can do, the Bybee's would have a much larger appeal to me like when a cord has two or three in it. That said, they aren't as drastic in performance as some straight up cleverly used typical parts.
I am now listening to my big system to FM and rather surprised on how good it is sounding. Just like the people were in the room. Then I remembered that I was also listening to the Bybee-Curl power conditioner that I was given recently. It must be the difference. No, they are not for sale anymore, so I never made a nickel from them, BUT at least I was given the prototype as a payment instead. Better than money.
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