Email Thorsten and ask if commercially available CD's have surpassed analog LP ..
that was the discussion issue here? the actual CD vs LP, I thought it was pretty much DAC vs analog
Go to steve hoffman and ask. There are a lot of cd's version that sounds better then the vinyl counterpart. one could make a huge list of those albums.
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Analog (TT) is definitely better sounding (more euphoric, more euphony, more distortion, more nostalgia, more "lively presence", more of more everything) than anything digital.
It has been said by the best analog people in the bizz. I totally believe them; they have no reason to even doubt.
And even better sounding than analog TT is analog R2R tape. ...Even beats Crystal Disc*!
* $1,600 a pop!
It has been said by the best analog people in the bizz. I totally believe them; they have no reason to even doubt.
And even better sounding than analog TT is analog R2R tape. ...Even beats Crystal Disc*!
* $1,600 a pop!
The Pacific Northwest Audio Society does comparisons at least once a year and sometimes more often than that on some of the finest SOTA gear (and systems) in the World. So far, LP's have always sounded better in every comparison that we've done.
I realize that there will be people here that haven't seen this before, but you can go back a number of years and read about it. These events are well attended and hardly secret.
Best Regards,
TerryO
I realize that there will be people here that haven't seen this before, but you can go back a number of years and read about it. These events are well attended and hardly secret.
Best Regards,
TerryO
FWIW: It's also been said by some of the best digital people as well! I suppose that your remarks were an attempt to be clever. You need to get around a bit more.
its also the case that the vast majority of mastering/production in now done in digital - bouncing to tape is a recognized "sound effect" – and the effect is expected to be heard through the subsequent digital conversion and editing process
I'm not sure what "Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)" is supposed to tell me in this context, but OK.
"Bad music for comparisons" -- that's not what you said, is it?
Look, I wouldn't cross the street to listen to Bon Iver, and I might cross a busy steet to avoid listening to him, but that is neither here nor Iver. The point is that those who enjoy his music can, should, and do enjoy recordings of his music, and are entitled to use those recordings to evaluate systems or masterings. But you dismissed the previous poster's evaluations based on the music, NOT BASED ON THE RECORDING. You made that clear because you criticized both.
There is no such thing as "Bad music for comparisons", just recordings that you are not familiar with or don't enjoy.
"Bad music for comparisons" -- that's not what you said, is it?
Look, I wouldn't cross the street to listen to Bon Iver, and I might cross a busy steet to avoid listening to him, but that is neither here nor Iver. The point is that those who enjoy his music can, should, and do enjoy recordings of his music, and are entitled to use those recordings to evaluate systems or masterings. But you dismissed the previous poster's evaluations based on the music, NOT BASED ON THE RECORDING. You made that clear because you criticized both.
There is no such thing as "Bad music for comparisons", just recordings that you are not familiar with or don't enjoy.
Ok , so you're clueless to what i have said , ok i get it , its bad music for doing comparisons, i said bad music , bad recording , because the recording quality is poor and there's no reference , unlike symphony music , musicals , piano recordings , et al.
I Said nothing about his or your taste in music , frankly i don't care what you listen to , now if you are serious about audio and accuracy of reproduction you need good recordings or make your own for direct comparisons ...
I did ... 🙂
I Said nothing about his or your taste in music , frankly i don't care what you listen to , now if you are serious about audio and accuracy of reproduction you need good recordings or make your own for direct comparisons ...
I did ... 🙂
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Good recordings of music one is familiar with! If you're not familiar with the music, you might as well tune into interstation noise on the tuner. At least then you're attempting to be honest!
I use voice recordings and unamplified instruments for evaluations. A recording engineer once told me that recordings of Bagpipes were excellent for tests and evaluations. Their sound can be easily remembered and any problems stand out readily.
Best Regrds,
TerryO
What ? One of the most inexpressive and flat instruments ?
An empty carcass with tubes in it ?
Bagpipes are also good for judging stereo reproduction , because bagpipe players always have to keep walking back and forth lest people throw things at them. 🙂
a.wayne: "Ok , so you're clueless to what i have said" -- what is your basis for making that judgment? I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you disrespected someone else's musical taste if you now proclaim me "clueless". I understand perfectly well what you said, and what you didn't say. Well, maybe my understanding is less than perfect, because your grammar is less that perfect. It's not always easy to understand what you are trying to say. That's OK, lots of people on this forum have a first language other than English, and I appreciate your efforts to communicate if that is your situation.
However, based on the words that you wrote, I think I have a very good understanding of what you were trying to say. Would it kill you to apologize for disrespecting another member's musical tastes?
a.wayne: "Ok , so you're clueless to what i have said" -- what is your basis for making that judgment? I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you disrespected someone else's musical taste if you now proclaim me "clueless". I understand perfectly well what you said, and what you didn't say. Well, maybe my understanding is less than perfect, because your grammar is less that perfect. It's not always easy to understand what you are trying to say. That's OK, lots of people on this forum have a first language other than English, and I appreciate your efforts to communicate if that is your situation.
However, based on the words that you wrote, I think I have a very good understanding of what you were trying to say. Would it kill you to apologize for disrespecting another member's musical tastes?
Witch recordings are used. So I can buy it are they also on cd.
( I have content on CD from the same artist that sound different so although it is put on cd they are able to do faulty things with it. Even a song of fleetwood mac where the left and right channel are switch on the cd recording. So not conclude direct it is caused by the digital format.)
When I buy a DL301 mk2 would that be good enough to test vinyl qaulity to that from a dac DAC. So I can do testing for my self.
For testing I have used:
I have miles david kind of blue on cd an lp.
And als dire straits brothers in arms on lp and cd.
Both lp's have a bigger soundstage sound like more space in the vinylrecording when compared to the cd.
My explanation for that is that the mechanical parts in the cartridge act a bit like a echo spring and help creating that effect, because you can record that sound and play back on cd and hear the same. I aspect same resonance effects are found in different tonearms helping to sound different.
Also I think there are phase faults, thirty years ago i made a little circuit to switch the sound wide and it could give mono a stereo feel by giving one channel a phase difference. It is like I hear that from my pick up gear. Probably it is caused by tolerance of the parts used in the RIAA network.
So what I am saying is that there are logical mechanical explanations for vinyl effect this is also the case for the electronics of the RIAA stage. It sound different for sure.
Here a pic of my pride 1966 td124 witch I restored a few years ago. Rega rb301 with Van den Hul tone arm wiring.
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Hello TerryO
Some time ago I went shopping in downtown Prescott with my Bagpipes in the backseat. Not wanting them stolen, I made sure that my car was locked before I left. When I got back from shopping, I noticed in horror, that my car's rear side window had been broken. Expecting the worst, I looked through the broken window and saw that someone had tossed another set of Bagpipes onto the backseat.🙂
(actually, I like the sound of Bagpipes)
Sincerely,
Ralf
Some time ago I went shopping in downtown Prescott with my Bagpipes in the backseat. Not wanting them stolen, I made sure that my car was locked before I left. When I got back from shopping, I noticed in horror, that my car's rear side window had been broken. Expecting the worst, I looked through the broken window and saw that someone had tossed another set of Bagpipes onto the backseat.🙂
(actually, I like the sound of Bagpipes)
Sincerely,
Ralf
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It's very simple to make CD sound exactly like vinyl: Split phono pre amplifier output, play vinyl with speakers playing at desired volume, digitally record output of phone preamplifier, and transfer recording to CD.
Witch recordings are used. So I can buy it are they also on cd.
( I have content on CD from the same artist that sound different so although it is put on cd they are able to do faulty things with it. Even a song of fleetwood mac where the left and right channel are switch on the cd recording. So not conclude direct it is caused by the digital format.)
When I buy a DL301 mk2 would that be good enough to test vinyl qaulity to that from a dac DAC. So I can do testing for my self.
For testing I have used:
I have miles david kind of blue on cd an lp.
And als dire straits brothers in arms on lp and cd.
Both lp's have a bigger soundstage sound like more space in the vinylrecording when compared to the cd.
My explanation for that is that the mechanical parts in the cartridge act a bit like a echo spring and help creating that effect, because you can record that sound and play back on cd and hear the same. I aspect same resonance effects are found in different tonearms helping to sound different.
Also I think there are phase faults, thirty years ago i made a little circuit to switch the sound wide and it could give mono a stereo feel by giving one channel a phase difference. It is like I hear that from my pick up gear. Probably it is caused by tolerance of the parts used in the RIAA network.
So what I am saying is that there are logical mechanical explanations for vinyl effect this is also the case for the electronics of the RIAA stage. It sound different for sure.
Here a pic of my pride 1966 td124 witch I restored a few years ago. Rega rb301 with Van den Hul tone arm wiring.
Much better than the goldring , what phono stage are you using ? what are you using for your digital ? LP quality is important too..
What do you think of digital's lack of space and the way it sizes voices the same , female voices are as powerful as any , where on vinyl they are different in both size , texture and power . There are also definite noise issues with digital and obvious tensioning when listening vs analog , if you are not sensitive to it then you may never recognize, same as analog surface noise , if it bothers you then you will never like ...
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I never had a goldring TT. I had a Dual now have a SL1700 and the TD124. I use a goldring 1012gx MM. Had X1 mc back in the eighties a denon DL160, shure m97xe, grado red. But the goldring 1012 is the best sounding card I have.
I have just bought a dynafox tpr2. I was building my own RIAA for mc with lundalh transformers I did not finish that till now. My other low noise preamp had a defect so I wanted to try the dynafox did put in bigger MKP to shift the cutoff frequency lower. Not much difference with what i had but nice with the external powersupply would not do much better in my own design.
Although I hope some improvement with the lundahl transformers.
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The Riaa I use from 1987 is these one is very low noise in combination with high output MC, I used PP in the network.
I use a class D amplifier and my own design hybrid KT66 PSE C-core OPT. There for I am building the Riaa with lundahl transformers.
And this speaker. dipole with horn xo 500hz super tight placement of soundstage. 94dB Wmtr 30-20000Hz
My profession is electronics and I build as a hobby my own audio from the mid eighties, got enough experience and did hear also other diy stuff. And also expensive commercial audio through the years. So I do think I know where I am talking about.
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